Last chance.....

Sakara · #1 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:10 PM

I think Koda just had his....

He had been doing great since I last posted... Doing his sits and waits for food, outside, been playing a lot and expending his energy... Only broke out of his crate a couple times, and it was while we were here at the house...

Well... I just got home from work to see that Koda destroyed my sofa... He tore all the fluff out of it and threw it everywhere... Ok, so I was mad, VERY mad... So I figured, show him what he did, tell him NO! and send him to his crate for the night and figure out a way to fix my sofa -_-

I attached his leash and took him to the sofa... As soon as he saw it and I said NOOO! in a VERY stern loud voice, he snarled and lunged at me... Thankfully I had the leash on him... And choked him back, but he did manage to land a nice K9 tooth on me... I threw him down and grabbed his throat and then literally dragged him by his choke chain to his crate and locked him in it, dragged it outside and he's sitting in his crate facing the brick wall locked up....

I don't know what to do anymore... Ryan is ready to kill him because he tried to attack me... I'm sooooooo mad I can't think straight... I literally almost beat the living crap out of him...

Bad behavior and stuff is one thing, but lunging at me trying to bite me is another... I will NOT deal with that....

TammyJamaica · #2 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:16 PM

If you cannot get Victoria or Cesar Milan, or someone who can advise you about what to do to help him out of this aggression, maybe you need to find a new owner for Koda....!

Sorry about that happening to you.

Good luck!

RayRay · #3 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:20 PM

Look.
I know you were upset about your sofa, but with dogs, if you don't catch them IN THE ACT they do not know what you are punishing them for!!

I hate to say this, but this sounds like a damaged dog and you aren't doing him any favors by forcing leadership on him.

Sakara · #4 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:25 PM

well what should I do with him?? I'm saying because he won't stay in his crate... I tie it shut, push it against a wall, whatever... He STILL gets out... I can't leave him outside because if i left him out there that long he'd probably find a way out, or at least dig up or destroy my fence...

He doesn't understand the dominance thing of this is MINE not his... I dunno what to do...

MalinoisK9 · #5 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:27 PM

1. Despite what people say... unless you catch a dog in the act, never ever punish it for something they did. They DO NOT understand, even if you drag them and shove their faces in it.
And for everyone that says oh but they act like they did something wrong. Dogs read human emotions and physical signals, so subtle that we don't even realize it.. even if we try.

2. When a dog challenges you... do not up the fight. When you have to physically discipline a dog, the best manner is to flip a dog on it's back, hold them by the neck right below the jaw and stare them in the eyes. Do not hit or scream at the dog. This is not showing the dog who the boss is or in control. Hold the dog there on the ground until they stop struggling and look off to avoid eye contact. If you have a dog that is challenging you, the reason is because you aren't acting like the leader you should be in the pack. So they figure if you won't, they must take control.

99.9% of bad dogs are a result of poor handling on the owners part. I highly advise that you sign up with a respected trainer in your area and nip these behaviors (both his and yours) in the bud. (If you do don't do Petco or Petsmart training... they are a joke and complete BS.) Look for a actual K9 trainer or someone who trains personal protection dogs. They are very good at dealing with dogs that are extremely dominant and aggressive and make them into dogs that live very well in homes with families.

Sakara · #6 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:28 PM

and I know you say they don't know what they are being punished for, but i seriously think he does know... I say that because I didn't yell, act mad or anything... i called him out of his crate and he was hesitant, I put the leash on him and he slunk over to me and averted his eyes... How does he NOT know that he was bad??? And I took him to see the fluff that was strewn about my living room and he immediately looked away from me and started submissive peeing... I don't understand if he acts like that, BEFORE I even say anything to him, how does he not know what he did? He obviously seemed like he knew since he already knew he was going to get yelled at... and any time he doesn't do something bad, he's excited and happy to see me.... if he does something bad, he slinks around like he knows he was bad

kellymack515 · #7 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:29 PM

I agree with Rachel. You cannot take a dog back to the scene of the crime and try to discipline him! They just don't understand. All he knew was that you were dragging him around the house, yelling at him. He doesn't know why! A vast majority of the time, dogs destroy things because they're bored. It just sounds like he's not getting enough attention. You can be the pack leader all you want but being dominant when you have time to isn't enough. It sounds like Koda needs someone who can give him a lot more time. Maybe a new home would be best for him. It sucks, I know. But sometimes it's just not a right fit for the dog and owner and it doesn't matter how much you love him.

LooseAFur · #8 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:30 PM

Call Cesar!!! It would be cool, but I doubt he would respond to you. Get video of everything he did and send it in, cant hurt. But until then take a BIG deep breath.....Just think, if you give up on him he may be euthanized. No matter how mad you are right now, I know you dont want that. In times like this its hard to be calm and assertive. But this is the most important time to do just that. While this wont fix your couch, nor does it make it okay that he was aggressive, he needs a strong leader. It seems to me that he thinks he is the king of the hill in your home. Step back, clean up the mess, then calmly address the situation. Keep him on leash(even in the house) for a few weeks. Set boundaries and limitations. Only praise or reward him when he is calm submissive(ears back, sitting or laying, not attentive or tense), Do not let him off the leash until you are positive his boundaries and limitations have been set. You need to claim areas in your house that are off limits or are by permission only. This isnt going to be easy, but if anyone can do it....its you and Ryan. Be a pack leader to this dog and he will live a balanced amd happier life.

Exercise is key

P.S. Maybe crate him before you leave next time

MalinoisK9 · #9 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sakara

i called him out of his crate and he was hesitant, I put the leash on him and he slunk over to me and averted his eyes... How does he NOT know that he was bad???

Despite you not noticing it, the dog can tell by slight differences in your voice

Sakara · #10 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalinoisK9

1. Despite what people say... unless you catch a dog in the act, never ever punish it for something they did. They DO NOT understand, even if you drag them and shove their faces in it.
And for everyone that says oh but they act like they did something wrong. Dogs read human emotions and physical signals, so subtle that we don't even realize it.. even if we try.

2. When a dog challenges you... do not up the fight. When you have to physically discipline a dog, the best manner is to flip a dog on it's back, hold them by the neck right below the jaw and stare them in the eyes. Do not hit or scream at the dog. This is not showing the dog who the boss is or in control. Hold the dog there on the ground until they stop struggling and look off to avoid eye contact. If you have a dog that is challenging you, the reason is because you aren't acting like the leader you should be in the pack. So they figure if you won't, they must take control.

99.9% of bad dogs are a result of poor handling on the owners part. I highly advise that you sign up with a respected trainer in your area and nip these behaviors (both his and yours) in the bud. (If you do don't do Petco or Petsmart training... they are a joke and complete BS.) Look for a actual K9 trainer or someone who trains personal protection dogs. They are very good at dealing with dogs that are extremely dominant and aggressive and make them into dogs that live very well in homes with families.

he was a shelter rescue, so I do not know where or what he came from... unfortunately...

Since my last post about him, if he has done anything naughty, I have done the throw him on his back thing... and he had gotten better, no aggression, very well behaved, will sit and wait for his food even for like 5 minutes... He's been VERY good since the last issue I had with him... This is the first time he's had an issue since... And I looked into some trainers... There is one local that does dog training for just about everything, but they use shock collar training methods... I'm starting to think that I don't care if they do use that on him if it breaks this crap

Adrya · #11 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:33 PM

Is the dog an adolescent? What kind of dog is he?

Adolescents can be a nightmare and it is just going to take time and patience.

I agree with Ray. Dogs live in the NOW. The dog isn't going to know what you are trying to punish him for, for something that he did an hour ago or a few minutes ago. Getting angry with him, an angry tone of voice or energy is only going to escalate his issue.

Sakara · #12 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:36 PM

Sheldon... I didn't say anything to him other then "c'mere koda!" in a nice voice like I do every day...

Shawn... we DO crate him... that's the problem... He breaks out and is destroying his crate in the process... I've tied the crate, I put him facing the wall, I give him his bone in his crate... he STILL breaks out... Maybe I'll set up a video camera next time I crate him -_- And I've also been doing the leash thing... He hates it, lol... But yea... it makes him sit here at my feet while I'm on the computer... The only time he REALLY fights it is if I try to take him into the bathroom, because he knows he's not suppose to go in there...

Sakara · #13 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:37 PM

Adrya... He's under a year and a half... Shepard mix with something husky or wolf-like... Which explains the smarts, but retarded action -_-

LooseAFur · #14 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:38 PM

what kinda crate ya got?

Adrya · #15 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:40 PM

Sounds like it may not only be a boredome issue but an insecurity issue whenever you leave the house and he's home alone in his crate. You may try giving him a toy that exercises his mind and offers rewards whenever he plays with it. Something like a Kong that you can stuff treats inside of.

Shepherds and huskies are hard working dogs that are generally eager to please and they feel completely useless and can go nuts if they are not worked somehow, every day.

MalinoisK9 · #16 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:41 PM

I do use it with one of my dogs. It's not my first tool in training but since no 2 dogs are the the same, some do need it. It has done wonders with my oldest male GSD. He was the definition of untrainable. He was the most dominate grumpy stubborn MEAN dog you can imagine. At close range he was super obedient to me. Past 15-20 feet where he knew I couldn't reach him... phht forget it. (Not something you want with a 105lb K9 GSD with a bad attitude) The first time I put an e-collar on him I had to make sure I was the only person around... because sure as s--- the first command he ignored *zap* and he freaked... looked around... and bite the tree behind him. After some actual training sessions with it... he learned real quick that my voice was the hand of god to him.

E-collars are great tools.. when they are the last resort.

Sakara · #17 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:41 PM

some hard plastic one with a gate front that is "suppose" to be non chewable -_-

Future Snake Guy · #18 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kellymack515

It just sounds like he's not getting enough attention. You can be the pack leader all you want but being dominant when you have time to isn't enough. It sounds like Koda needs someone who can give him a lot more time. Maybe a new home would be best for him. It sucks, I know. But sometimes it's just not a right fit for the dog and owner and it doesn't matter how much you love him.

i highly doubt this is true because if ashley loves that dog half as much as she loves her boas then that dog is probly spoiled. HOWEVER its probly the age, i have a 13 month lab who gets enough attention for 10 dogs and he acts like hes completly ignored.

i do agree he doesnt understand what he did was wrong unless u caught him in the act. when he was acting hesitant it was because of the diffrent energy and tones in your voice.. parker does the same thing.

as for the lunging thing mal couldent be more right.. everytime he does that you have to throw him on his back and grab him.. yelling isnt really nesissary only because him being on his back is as vaunerable as he can get and when u have him by the throat its one step passed that. but if this is the first time hes done it? i would just keep doing it because im still trying to get parker to stop doing that to. whenever there is wrestling he goes nuts and when u step to him he will do it and i catch him everytime and take charge.

im sure it will all work out for ya ash

sorry for all the spelling by the way hahahaha

Sakara · #19 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:45 PM

Sheldon... considering the only non "pet----" place for training around here uses the e-collars, I may just have to go buy one...

Adrya... I have tried kongs, he hates them, LOL!! He does have toys that he loves to play with and we play fetch and stuff... He also loves doing commands for praise and treats and actually does VERY well with normal training, which I have been working on a LOT with him... He also has 2 rawhide bones that he absolutely LOVES and since he's constantly had a rawhide he hasn't shown interest in chewing anything else..... until today -_-

RayRay · #20 (**permalink**) 02-05-2010, 10:48 PM

Ashley, now is the time you should be contacting a professional if you haven't already.

I had a very, very troubled dog that needed someone to step in. That dog of mine, as much as I loved her, was started to become a liability.

I know it's easy and tempting to ask around on a forum, but you are going to get so much conflicting information from people.

I have 7 dogs, 7 dogs! Not once have I ever laid a hand on them if they chewed up my stuff and I didn't catch them doing it. We've had 3 couches destroyed. It might seem like they "know" what they did, but they are reacting to your emotions and actions in the situation. If they feel you are being hostile, they are going to return the favor.

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