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Old 08-14-2003, 01:49 PM
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i'm interested in anyone who has been breeding are dealing with pastel bci. i've breed my wc male that i've had for there years now. he's nice and large now and is a welling stud. he produce 29 babies and no slugs, but 14 of the babies were like there dad in color and very clean with hardly any black speckling. i was wondering if anyone in bci land had heard of a co-dominant pastel blood line. [img]DSC00159HTTP://PHOTO.REDTAILBOA.NET/2NDALARMREPTILES/DSC00159[/img][img]DSC00162HTTP://PHOTO.REDTAILBOA.NET/2NDALRMREPTILES/DSC00162[/img][img]DSC00164HTTP://PHOTO.REDTAILBOA.NET/2NDALARMREPTILES/DSC00164[/img][img]DSC00097HTTP://PHOTO.REDTAILBOA.NET/2NDALARMREPTILES/DSC00097[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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Old 08-14-2003, 03:58 PM
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Here's my standard info about Pastels.. cut and pasted for ya!
Pastel is not a specific inheritably genetic trait (as in a
recessive or co-dom gene) but rather a variation on normal
pattern/color variations refined to the point that in general
breeding a 'pastel' to a normal would produce babies with a
high influance from the pastel animal and breeding pastel to
pastel would produce babies with high-pastel influance. (as far
as I understand it) I do not know of any proven pastel line
that acts in a dom/co-dom or recessive fashion.
Hypo/salmon is a proven co-dom genetic anomoly (i can't spell)

I believe the Jeff (boaphile) line pastels are line-bred, meaning, he
bred specific boas together in an attempt to pass on the
good traits to the babies, then breeds those to other boas (from
the same line or diff line) that share the same characteristics,
on and on refining the line and improving upon those specific
characteristics he is trying for. In the pastel boa, I believe
he describes it as a lack or overall reduction of black, esp
along the lateral (sides) of the boa. In general these also
tend to be more highly-colored than normals but the lack and
reduction of black is his defining term.

there are lots of boas out there with the 'pastel' traits
or lots with high-pink that are called pastel, IMO these
should be called pastel-types or just hi-pink boas, Jeff's
specific pastel lines have been bred for generations to provide
the look he wants and he coined that term for his boas.
It can get very confusing.
Here is my high-pink pastel-type


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Old 08-14-2003, 06:54 PM
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Well, I made a small mistake when typing in the link. But I got 'em fixed. They don't call me the Chief Picture Repair Specialist for nuffin'. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> They don't call me the Chief Picture Repair Specialist for nuffin'.
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Umm Bry ...I hate to break this to you but.... your title is '2003's Loudest Snoring Herper'
Says nothing about a picture specialist.lol

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Old 08-15-2003, 04:22 PM
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LOL I know. That still doesn't change a darn thing. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

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so hisba, if you breed a salmon (or pastel) boa to a normal BCI then you would get babies that look somewhat salmon-like (or pastel)?
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well those two traits are completely different, salmon is a dominant (co-dom) genetic
trait, meaning breeding a salmon x normal there will always be a certain % that will
be salmon and a certain % that will be normal with no influence from the salmon at all.
(in a salmon x normal it is 50%/50%)
Breed a pastel x normal and the babies will be a mix of both parents, with no
specific babies being fully 'pastel', they will all just inherit various amounts of
the pastel influence. 'pastel' is just a variant of normal and not a recessive or
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another way to look at it...
in humans, blue eyes are a recessive trait (like albino in boas), breed two people
one with blue eyes and one with brown and their kids will have brown eyes (assuming
the brown-eyed person wasn't carrying the blue-eye gene). This is a situation where
the offspring can be predicted with accuracy.
Now, breed two people (I know.. lol... but stay with me here) who are both tall,
now will all the kids be tall? Most likely since both parents are, but not always, meaning
the 'tall' gene does not act in a predictable manner but can show influence and be more
likely to happen. (same as pastel)
(hope I didn't confuse you more! lol)
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lol...i was with you until you started talking about people! snakes i can deal with people i can't.

i wasn't thinking i would get all salmon or all pastels i kinda figured it would be a percentage. i would be happy if i breed a normal to a salmon and got a couple salmon babies.
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breeding is inprogess as we i speak with that male with and unrelated female this will give a second blood line the female is about 8 1/2 - 9 ft and i'm hoping to produce about 35-40 babies from this female. this will be great thing for all of use who love boas with there natural colors.
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