Yuoor oopeeneeuns (Persunel, und Sceeenteeffeec) oon CruFeb Pulyfelent Unteefenum

[ViperLover]

Noo,

I hefe-a heerd MENY deefffferent oopeeneeuns, oon CruFeb...Bed und guud, Bork Bork Bork!

I vuoold leeke-a tu heer yuoors.., Bork Bork Bork!

Regerds,


Jemes

[Vinny]

CroFab Polyvalent antivenin is amazing IMO. I know first hand on how well it works, and how fast it works. Back in 2004 me and a friend just got back from a show he got a EDB and I was doing something with one of the Rhino Vipers. Well he decided to take this 3 month old EDB out of the container (I had no clue) well the snake I guess started freakin out and scared my buddy, well he ended up swinging the hook towards my direction and I took a 100% neurotoxic envenomation. I had paralysis for 2 days and was un able to walk. I received 10 vials total of CroFab and I was feeling better with in hours, except for not being able to walk. This is why I do not work with hots with other people around anymore unless they know what they are doing. Talk about a freak accident.. I do believe that CroFab is a much better antivenin than the old Wyeth antivenin which caused a lot of allergic reactions!!

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[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by Vinny

CruFeb Pulyfelent unteefeneen is emezeeng IMO. I knoo furst hund oon hoo vell it vurks, und hoo fest it vurks. Beck in 2004 me-a und a freeend joost gut beck frum a shoo he-a gut a IDB und I ves dueeng sumetheeng veet oone-a ooff zee Rheenu Feepers. Vell he-a deceeded tu teke-a thees 3 munt oold IDB oooot ooff zee cunteeener (I hed nu clooe-a) vell zee sneke-a I gooess sterted freekeen oooot und scered my booddy, vell he-a inded up sveengeeng zee huuk tooerds my durecteeun und I tuuk a 100% neoorutuxeec infenumeteeun. I hed perelysees fur 2 deys und ves un eble-a tu velk. I receeefed 10 feeels tutel ooff CruFeb und I ves feeleeng better veet in huoors, ixcept fur nut beeeng eble-a tu velk. Thees is vhy I du nut vurk veet huts veet oozeer peuple-a eruoond unymure-a unless zeey knoo vhet zeey ere-a dueeng. Telk ebuoot a freek ecceedent., Bork Bork Bork! I du beleeefe-a thet CruFeb is a mooch better unteefeneen thun zee oold Vyet unteefeneen vheech coosed a lut ooff ellergeec reecteeuns..

Nu ooffffence-a, Boot yuoor freeend ves stoopeed. - Hees meesteke-a cuoold'fe-a inded yuoor leeffe-a. - Peuple-a sooch es thees shuooldn't keep huts. I hupe-a yuoo're-a ook, noo booddy, Bork Bork Bork!

Vhet du yuoo theenk ooff Beeuclun? (Heerd frum a cuoople-a, thet thees is betetr zeen CruFeb??

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

No offence, But your friend was stupid. - His mistake could've ended your life. - People such as this shouldn't keep hots. I hope you're ok, now buddy.
What do you think of Bioclon? (Heard from a couple, that this is betetr then CroFab??

Yeah I smacked him up when I got out of the Hosp lol.. And I agree he should have never got that snake. I have yet to hear about that antivenin And yes i'm ok now, but i do get pretty bad body aches and pains from the envenomations. many people think I 'brag' about being bitten, but i'm in NO WAY happy about it. Only one of the envenomations was 100% my fault and that was the Bush Viper (Atheris Chlorechis) here is what my finger looks like now!



..I had necrosis for 9 months..

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[ViperLover]

Thets nesty., Bork Bork Bork!.

Is thet yuoo bendeeng yuoor feenger, oor is thet a permeenunt bend frum zee fenum/necrusees

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

Thats nasty...
Is that you bending your finger, or is that a perminant bend from the venom/necrosis?

It is stuck like that, because when it was healing their was not enough live tissue to heal properly, so it pulled the tip down to heal up. Its only one skin graph from looking normal again, but its a good reminder of what happens when your careless and make a stupid decision. Its also a very good scratcher lol..

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[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by Vinny

It is stoock leeke-a thet, becoose-a vhee it ves heeleeng zeeur ves nut inuoogh leefe-a teessooe-a tu heel pruperly, su it poolled zee teep doon tu heel up. Its oonly oone-a skeen greph frum luukeeng nurmel egeeen, boot its a guud remeender ooff vhet heppens vhee yuoor cereless und meke-a a stoopeed deceeseeun. Its elsu a fery guud scretcher lul., Bork Bork Bork!

It luuks fery nesty indeed... - Uny ehces & peeens in culd veezeer?

Und LOL.., Bork Bork Bork!Beck scretcher? lul

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

It looks very nasty indeed... - Any ahces & pains in cold weather?
And LOL...Back scratcher? lol

Ohh yeah major aches and pains esp during the cold weather...

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[morti]

Bioclon Antivipmyn is still in clinical trials here in the US. Venom one has some.

There seems to be some confusion about what all species it is effective against.

http://www.miamidade.gov/mdfr/librar...es_Covered.pdf

If you scroll down to #6, you can read the coverage info. For Crotalus, it appears to be most effective against Central American snakes, although it supposedly "Also contains protective substances capable of neutralizing the toxic effects of Crotalids (Pit Vipers) native to North, Central and South America."

Myself personally? If I got bit by a snake native to the USA, I want a known and well tested anti-serum made in the USA. Not a new one made in Mexico using Central American vipers.

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[Vinny]

Originally Posted by morti

Myself personally? If I got bit by a snake native to the USA, I want a known and well tested anti-serum made in the USA. Not a new one made in Mexico using Central American vipers.

Thanks for that link Morti!! And I could not agree more

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[nxlude]

Dang vinny, how many times you been bitten by hots?

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[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by morti

Beeuclun Unteefeepmyn is steell in cleeneecel treeels here-a in zee US, Bork Bork Bork! Fenum oone-a hes sume-a.

Zeere-a seems tu be-a sume-a cunffooseeun ebuoot vhet ell speceees it is iffffecteefe-a egeeenst.

http://www.miamidade.gov/mdfr/librar...es_Covered.pdf

Iff yuoo scrull doon tu #6, yuoo cun reed zee cuferege-a inffu, Bork Bork Bork! Fur Cruteloos, it eppeers tu be-a must iffffecteefe-a egeeenst Centrel Emereecun snekes, elthuoogh it sooppusedly "Elsu cunteeens prutecteefe-a soobstunces cepeble-a ooff neootreleezeeng zee tuxeec iffffects ooff Cruteleeds (Peet Feepers) neteefe-a tu Nurt, Centrel und Suoot Emereeca."

Myselff persunelly? Iff I gut beet by a sneke-a neteefe-a tu zee USA, I vunt a knoon und vell tested untee-seroom mede-a in zee USA. Nut a noo oone-a mede-a in Mexeecu useeng Centrel Emereecun feepers, Bork Bork Bork!

Cheers, Murtee, Bork Bork Bork!

Guud refffference-a mete-a. Helped a lut, Bork Bork Bork! - Veell reed zee inture-a ducooment vhee my breeen is foolly ingeged, Bork Bork Bork! (It's 19:17., Bork Bork Bork!, Bork Bork Bork!I sveetched ooffff huoors egu. LOL)

[blueboykennels]

Originally Posted by nxlude

Dang vinny, how many times you been bitten by hots?

I was wondering the same thing

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[ViperLover]

Originally Posted by blueboykennels

I ves vundereeng zee seme-a theeng

Esk Beell Heest zee seme-a qooesteeun...Sumeteemes yuoo cun't efueed beeeng hoort..., Bork Bork Bork!by unytheeng, Bork Bork Bork!

[blueboykennels]

Originally Posted by ViperLover

Ask Bill Haast the same question...Sometimes you can't avoid being hurt....by anything!

I understand that when it comes to working with hots that there is is large risk that sooner or later you will be bitten. I just curious how many times Vinny has been envenomated. I've read in 2 days at least 3 different posts were he's had to receive antivenom (The EDB, the Bush Viper and the shed fang). Just curious how many times is all. Not to make light of this but one of the times Vinny say's it was his fault 100% which was the Bush Viper bite. The second time when his friend caused the EDB to bite him you said his friend was stupid, (which I agree with) so that was his friends fault that it bite him. So your whole statement of sometimes you can't avoid being hurt just doesn't hold water in my opinion. Those are 2 examples of 2 envenomations that could have been avoided. The one with the shed fang also could have been avoided. Vinny himself has pointed that out. Not to go on a rant here just really curious about how many times he's been tagged by a hot. I do agree that there are times when you do everything proper and you still get bite however I think there are far more situations of envenomations that can be avoided but unfortunatley are not.

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[Vinny]

Originally Posted by nxlude

Dang vinny, how many times you been bitten by hots?

2 actual bites and one shed fang incident, only the Bush Viper bite was 100% my fault from not thinking and being careless.

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[blueboykennels]

Man Vinny that's crazy. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not making light of any of your envenomations just curious is all.

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[nxlude]

Im curious too......did the different bites produce a different reaction painwise? (sorry, things you dont really get to ask the average person.)

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[FLVenom]

Originally Posted by morti

Bioclon Antivipmyn is still in clinical trials here in the US. Venom one has some.

There seems to be some confusion about what all species it is effective against.

http://www.miamidade.gov/mdfr/librar...es_Covered.pdf

If you scroll down to #6, you can read the coverage info. For Crotalus, it appears to be most effective against Central American snakes, although it supposedly "Also contains protective substances capable of neutralizing the toxic effects of Crotalids (Pit Vipers) native to North, Central and South America."

Myself personally? If I got bit by a snake native to the USA, I want a known and well tested anti-serum made in the USA. Not a new one made in Mexico using Central American vipers.

CroFab is junk. It works decent on Cottonmouths, Pigmys, Copperheads, and Western Diamondbacks. But for other larger species (C. adamanteus, C. horridus, etc) it doesn't work well. To give a prime example, a man was bitten back in 2007 by a large C. adamanteus here in S. FL. They had over 60 vials of CroFab in him and it STILL wasn't working. It was decided to give him some Antivipmyn and it turned him around extremely quickly. The Antivipmyn made from Bioclon in Mexico is a fabulous product but the FDA is dragging on it. You know why? Because CroFab produced in the US and it's FDA approved. CroFab has a long line of attorneys and lobbyists which are keeping this on the table and delaying Antivipmyn. They much rather make money than save lifes. I can tell you all of you this for a fact: The products made in Central/South America are MUCH better than the antivenom made here in the US. I'd much rather have small quantities of antivenom administered versus the astronomical amounts CroFab takes. To qoute a good friend of mine which has experience administering CroFab and Antivipmyn "If I was the one bitten and Dr. ever came close to me with CroFab, I'd punch him in the mouth".

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[morti]

There you have it. I have been wrong before.

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