Ven CareSheets

[StaticKaos]

Today I actually mentioned getting a pigmy to my dad an he was okay with the idea, i couldn't believe it.. i think he realizes im smart enough an will know what im getting into basically.. but i was wondering where i could find a caresheet for them, really detailed.. i wanna know as much as i can about the things, im not takin any chances when it comes to somethin like that ya kno?

BW: i respect you A LOT when it comes to venemous.. You've seen many post on the board from me probably so i wanna ask you this.. from the information you've seen me post, do you think im actually capable of such an animal??? Thanks man..
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[Hibidyjibidy]

Good post topic dude.
Where would you get such a snake from anyway?
I am actually waiting on a response from some online source in regards to the purchase.
Very exciting... Still, i need more info too.
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[StaticKaos]

Wow, you really can't get your hands on 1? I've seen many of places to buy them, pretty sure they'd be wild caught but with something your not gonna handle anywase, i don't see a major major difference.. if its your first ven though like me, id def try to get a captive bred.. they'd be more used 2 having humans around an stuff ya kno? still not safe, but won't be as stressed when living around our annoyin asses
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	Venomous Reptile A term commonly used to refer to a venomous reptile. Most commonly used in reference to venomous snakes.

[BWSmith]

OK, here is the deal. I am going to start a new thread because this brings a real issue into focus and it needs to be adressed logically. There a lot of people intersted in hots. As for my opinion on your abilities personally, I do not know enough to make an educated judgement. You may be or you may not be. You have to realize that hots are just like any other snake in one respect. Once you get one, you WILL get more. And generally, they are going to get more dangerous. The most important thing is to NEVER think to yourself "Well, it's only a ______, it can't kill me"

As a side note, most ven dealers will not sell (and cannot sell) to people under 18. Most keepers will not sell or give away a hot unless they are sure that you are capable. I fall into this last catagory. I do not even do much training. I have only trained one person, and he was carefully selected. He was the only person that I have ever met personally under 21 that I thought could handle it. He is 14 and sophmore in college with a true passion for herps. By the time he is 25 he will have more book knowledge on reptiles than any of us. But he lacked experience. That is what I gave him. After about 15 or 20 hours of hands-on training, he caught his first hot, and anetheristic Pygmy Rattler (my first hot too). The snake and the kid are doing great, and despite his age, I feel confident in his abilities. I would not have given him a hot, but I knew that he would get one from the wild, so all I could do was teach him as much as could. You can only learn so much from books, you have to see the procedures first hand. And have someone who is willing to spend the time to teach you proper husbandry. I trained for 2 years before I got a Pygmy. I will end here and beging a new thread ont he subject of getting into hots.
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	Venomous Reptile A term commonly used to refer to a venomous reptile. Most commonly used in reference to venomous snakes.

[Ed_r]

Although I know i have stated numerous times that i would want a pyg or a copper, and I'm going to sound like a hipocrit for this. But I really don't think its a good idea to put venemous caresheets out on RTB. Putting out caresheets in a way would make us lika Steve irwin type then. saying its ok to have venemous and that its safe to own venemous. I would much sooner recomend spending time under a qualified hot herper. I wouldnt take a pyg, unless I have had spent time with someone like BW. I consider myself to be very safety conscious when it comes to reptiles, including non venomous. I just plain don't want to get bit period.
So I vote no on the caresheets.

I do vote yess for finding a good Hot Education class/seminar with some tools on experience (notice i didn't say Hands on experience)

My .02
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[Hibidyjibidy]

It's not the problem of finding one... It's the problem of having one delivered to a state which all vens are illegal to own. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]
I am trying to get this person to send me one in a box disguised for something else but who knows. If i had a connection down FL/GA way then i could set a delivery up.
Kinda sucks ya know.
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[Ed_r]

It's also highly illegal to ship hots FYI
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[BWSmith]

It is not illeal to ship hots. But they must be ina sealed and screwed wodden box clearly amrked and shipped Delta Dash or the equivilent. Hibidy, please hold on for my next thread, it includes a section legal issues.
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[BWSmith]

And yes, Ed. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I EVER POST VENOMOUS CARESHEETS. It is literally a lisence to kill. This is not the place for that. They belong on a site for venomous keepers only. If someone has something, I will post tips, and I guess you could combine lots of comments to make a skeleton caresheet, but I would not make it that easy. To find care, you have to know people who keep them. That also insures that you are at least a little educated in venomous. If you have vens and are not a member of the SHHS, you do not need hots.
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	Venomous Reptile A term commonly used to refer to a venomous reptile. Most commonly used in reference to venomous snakes.

[Hibidyjibidy]

Man... that does suck! I suppose if i was to drive across the state line after picking up something that it would be the same definition?

Yep, no worries BW.

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[cobra_fangs]

Here is a few pics of snake bites. It sounds to me that, the way you talk you are not ready. If you do not take this seriously you will be dead!!!!!
Snake Bite Photo Gallery
Will
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