Soo where\'s BW when I have an actual question for him ?

#1 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 06:42 AM

LOL.. Now that I got your attention.. Open your dang pm'er would ya hehe. Also...

I was talking with someone I know tonite that keeps vens. They just had a rattler shipped to them and this came up in the conversation in regards to such... Just wanted to know what you know in regards to such [ I am not a ven person ya know lol]

If you place oil on the buttons of the snake.. it silences their rattling. Is this true ya know ? he says that's what they do when shipping em so that noone goes and freaks out if the snake decides to make it's journey just rattling away... So it wouldn't be heard doing such is all.
I know I wouldn't want to be the one applying oil to a rattler myself hehe
BTW.. The info came up in the discussion we were having while my friend was freaking out cuz the snake.. umm.. can't be found/located at all [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Seems the package got lost somewhere in transit..UGH. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] He was just verbalizing about his thoughts on the package being opened by someone who hadn't a clue on what's in there....OH MY [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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StaticKaos · #2 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 07:36 AM

uh oh! That does NOT sound good at all.. Could have a death related accident going on in this case.. An wouldn't the person that asked for it to be shipped be responsible? I dunno much though but this sounds like a bad sitation.
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#3 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 07:44 AM

Umm the shipper would be responsible for any type mishap actually. especially where the receiver didn't make the choice as to what shipper to utilize...
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#4 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 03:15 PM

The rattle works basically on the same premise as a baby's rattle, the loose interconnects segments 'rattle' against each other...I doubt that oil would silence it totally, b/c I don't think you could get it all up in each segment and you wouldn't be able to keep enough oil to make a sufficient barrier to minimize contact unless you maybe used 50 weight motor oil for an automobile.

The segments are shaped kind of like a notched letter "A" stacked on top of each other
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BWSmith · #5 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 03:25 PM

Sorry, I have not been able to spend much time online. I am having CHAT withdrawl [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img]

First, I believe that the only legal way to ship venomous is in a wooden box with airholes and the top screwed down with many screws shipped via airline cargo. I DO know that it is illegal to ship venomous through carriers such as FedEx, UPS, Airborne Express, or the post office. After 9/11, they are tight and it is not worth the risk to save a few bucks so try it.

About silencing the rattles................... uggh ........................ I probably should not even mention it since it is what smugglers do. But, it is early and I have not had coffee yet, so my judgement is down [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] Oil will muffle the rattles to an extent, but if you have ever got oil on your clothes, you know that it never comes out completely. I am not sure how much comes out with a shed. Secone method is to wrap the rattles in electrical tape. Third method, wrapping a peice of cloth over the rattle and tying it on with string. I had a Timber Rattler come in last year with a string tied around it's rattles. I can only assume why it was there. And it was a pain to get back off.

As a side note on shipping. If an animal is being shipped by a method that is not legal for that animal, they buyer holds just as much responsibility. And if the animal crosses state lines to get to you, it becomes a federal matter [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]

Lori, i am not saying that your friend did anything wrong. It just seemed like a good segway to address some venomous shipping issues [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Seany · #6 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 03:39 PM

Wow... I never really thought that much about shipping hots... I really hope things work out for the best Lori.
One question though. Buyers almost never have a say in what shipping compony/method is used. Why would this be any different? I just don't see how she can get into trouble for this.
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BWSmith · #7 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 03:50 PM

You should always have a say when shipping hots. You are receiving a dangerous and potentially deadly animal. While there are a lot of similarities between nonven herpetoculture and ven herpetoculture, there are a lot of differences. A red flag should go up if you are getting a hot and there is no $25 box fee and Delta Dash shipping. What does the dealer care, you are the one paying for shipping. The problem is that you CAN ship lizards through some of these carriers and you can ship snakes through Airborne Express (I don't think they have changed that). So it is easy for a dealer or a buyer to want to save a significant amount of money to try to bend the rules. But the concequences are too great: a dead snake, an innocent envenomation, an excaped cobra, large fines, and jailtime ar the ones that I think of off the top of my head.

Again, not saying that anyone here did anything wrong, just thought it would be some good information that had not been addressed yet. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Ravnos · #8 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 06:04 PM

If you won't say it BW, I will. Shipping hots via a common carrier is irresponsible and makes us all look bad. It was the responsibility of the buyer/receiver to tell the seller/shipper how to send the animal and pay the appropriate amount. If the seller went behind his back and unknowingly shipped it via UPS or something after he requested Delta, thats one thing... but if he knowingly went along with it - he is just as much to blame and it was wrong. Since shipping snakes via UPS, Fedex, Airborne Express or USPS is -illegal-, its not just morally wrong, its a crime; and as you said... possibly a federal one.

There shouldn't be any worry about people 'freaking out' when you are shipping rattlers via Delta - because they permit it, as long as they are packaged and labelled properly. So oiling/taping/wrapping rattles is completely pointless.

Rav
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#9 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 11:47 PM

Naw I agree with you guys on the lagalities/responsibility of shipping the vens and all. BUT I personally had no say in what transpired in the shipment of this snake at all. I myself do not deal with hots and if I did.. better believe that the shipment would be through something like delta dash even. I don't have all the info on just why the snake was shipped not using something like dd but I do know that it wasn't shipped as the buyer wanted it to be and he is #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& at the seller to say the least. I just hope that box wasn't left out on a stoop.. for the safety of the snake but also anyone who gets "curious" etc with it if it was left out. I beleive he didn't even know the shipment was coming in till he found the message on his machine even. He was NOT happy to say the least...
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Ravnos · #10 (**permalink**) 08-02-2002, 11:49 PM

Incredible that some people will take the lives of an animal, and potentially the lives of anyone who happens to come across the package, so lightly.

Rav
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JuliusSqueezer · #11 (**permalink**) 08-03-2002, 07:53 PM

Ship rattlers in boxes labled Live locust for research. coming through a muffled box...who is gonna know? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I'm kidding...It is immoral and illegal for many reasons for EVERY person handling such a shipment to NOT be made aware of the contents.....think about this too...what if the package is delivered to the wrong address and some little kid opens the box....Please make sure that any such shipment is properly labeled and secure....This thought occured to me the other day when my new emerald "Emillio" was almost delivered to the wrong address. oops
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