thinning collection down alittle :-D

[Slithers]

Perhaps it is not clear.

Sick snakes dont always APPEAR sick.
So even before you noticed Bongo and Diablo were sick, they were contagious to your other snakes.
You say you handle your snakes every day, then it is likely or atleast very possible that something the pythons had or have, the boas have or will begin to show signs of.

Noone ever said you were a bad person for thinning out your collection, but you really do come across differently than you most likely intend. You appear to acquire snakes like fleas on a stray dog, which is not necesarily a problem. But when you post your life onto the internet, people will reply however they see fit...because they CAN. You feel at home here, you feel like family. Then listen to your family. SLOW DOWN. A little less socializing and a little more hardcore research might gain you some invaluable knowledge.
As stated, a week is not nearly enough time in quarantine to determine a snake's health, regardless of a vet visit. This is NOT new information...
IBD and other diseases are highly contagious and even airborn in some cases. Again not new information.

I really dont mean to sound too demeaning or condescending, but you are really begging for the responses you are receiving. You said your brain moves faster than your fingers...I think your fingers move faster than your brain. Again, slow down. Think about what you post...just some friendly helpful advice. Just in this thread, you have contradicted yourself an unimaginable number of times.

Either you want to dump these snakes off with someone else or you dont. Its not like "Oh, if someone wants them, then sure okay, they can have them." Do you want them or not?? If not, why are you getting rid of them really? i just cant comprehend you posting snakes for trade, when you dont want to get rid of them... If you dont want to get rid of them, dont get rid of them! If you do, do! but which is it?

Again trying NOT to be mean here, but if you really do value anyones opinion here you will take the time to listen to them, and also express yourself so that you accurately present your point of view. You might avoid such long drawn out arguments/discussions/debates/miscommunications/misunderstandings, whatever this may be.

Good luck with your herps, I really do hope none of your snakes are sick. I am sure you keep them under the strictest husbandry guidelines. I do not feel that you are unable to handle the load. But I do encourage you to take your time with the hobby that you love, or atleast stick your guns and say you really dont mind dumping snakes off like yesterdays news.


edit: OOPS didnt mean to rant!!!

	Inclusion Body Disease IBD

[Slithers]

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Didn't mean to turn it into a witch hunt...

Dont play innocent!

[Slithers]

Originally Posted by MAG_Pythons

i still love all of ya'll this wasn't a very fun thing for me to wake up to and then go to school, kinda put a damper on my whole day

sorry to hear about that. chillax, its just the internet...

i usted to think that i could turn to ya'll and not get rediculed and bashed, but now i see that that isn't true. i know ya'll are trying to help tho so i guess i'll have to watch what i post fom now on

this is very true! sad but true like metallica says. watch what you post.
you can definitely turn to us, but regardless of the source, when something smells fishy, you can count on us scavengers to come feasting!

[boafiend]

lol yall crack me up! if she wants to have one snake instead of another thats fine, everyone should seriously drop this and not comment unless you have something to say about what this thread was about!! i thought we were only suppose to post replys that had to do with the thread topic! good luck mag with your new snakes u wanna get and who ever u give your snakes too, i hope they have a good home no matter where they go!

[VoodooChile]

First of all you obviously didnt read some of the more pertinent information.
ASIDE from the TONS of contradictions regarding her intentions with the snakes she has, is trading, is keeping, or what ever..
She has also contradicted herself regarding their care and their health, which leaves a LOT of questions regarding the health of the snakes in her collection.
To adopt/trade/sell a snake that is quite possibly ill or has been exposed to another ill snake in the collection is irresponsible, IMO.

Originally Posted by MAG_Pythons

diablo and bongo were sick in july. they both got better, but now i took bongo to the vet again and he's well on his way to being okay

June 14th they were at the vet

Originally Posted by MAG_Pythons

bongo is sick now

That is the contradiction I am referring to. Incidentally Bongo is the JCP, not the Burm, as I originally stated. However BOTH the Burm and the JCP were sick in June, and Bongo remains ill.
It could very well be a husbandry issue, but she has stated the temps/humidity are fine, so WHY is the snake still sick?? And WHY did her vet give a 16yr old Baytril shots to administer to her snake? Thought that was a little odd.
About Quarantine:

Originally Posted by MAG_Pythons

as a matter of fact, i keep every new snake in a totally different room than the rest of my herps, for atleast a week, i take every new snake to the vet, if they have a clean bill of health, then and only then will i pt them in a room with my other snakes.

Originally Posted by MAG_Pythons

so no1 has to worry about RIs ...

If that is the quarantine, then YES the new owner needs to be aware of the fact, that Bongo was apparently well before June, the Burm was apparently well before June, and were most likely kept around some of the other snakes.
Not to mention that you have brought in SIX snakes since June. Who, after a WEEK of quarantine, and a checkup that didnt consist of much from the sounds of it, were placed in the same room together.
Another thing if some of her snakes are "rescues" they should be quarantined for MUCH longer than a WEEK.
The term RESCUES is another issue: It is NOT a rescue if the owner says "Ya know Im tired of my snakes, you can have it if you want it"
Just because they are in bad caging, have a slight RI, or their cage is dirty does NOT make it a RESCUE.
A rescue consists of HEROIC efforts, like what BW Smith does for the rattlesnakes at the roundups. Or having to go through proper legal channels to obtain an animal being abused or neglected that is on death's door. The Spiny Tail Iguana is a BORDERLINE rescue, more of a SURRENDER, as it was brought to me. Granted it was on death's door, and required a lot of work to get healthy, but I didnt have to take legal action to get the animal away from its neglecting owner, it was surrendered to me. The 2 Boas I got from the wildlife Safari were true rescues, Ive had a few others that I would consider a true rescue, because of the condition of the snakes, and the fight to get them from the owner.
Animal Cops on Animal Planet are rescues when they seize dogs from apartments and half of them are dead or dying, and the other half is on its way.
True rescue facilities have licensing to do what they do, they have personal vets, and most are USDA licensed and follow proper procedures according to law.
Rescue is taking an animal that is on the verge of life and death, rushing it to the vet, paying out the wazoo to get said animal healthy, and properly QUARANTINING it for however long it takes, and caring for the animal untill it is 100% healthy before ever considering adopting it out.

	In My Opinon IMO = In My Opinion and IMHO = In My Honest Opinion

[BWSmith]

This is getting repetitive and nothing seems to be getting accomplished other than Mag becoming a piñata. Whether justified or not, I refrain from commenting. I would like to just lock this thread unless Mag has an objection.