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Are You Ready For A HOT?
Published by BWSmith
08-29-2002
Are You Ready For A HOT?

First off, let me say one more time: I do NOT recommend ANYONE keeping venomous reptiles. Theya re inherently dangerous and can cause serious injury or DEATH!! Lord know my parents still don't like it! They have been to ONE of my "out-of-cage" venomous programs and swear that they will never watch another.

And just to shoot you into reality, here is a pic of a Western Diamondback bite from http://www.venomousreptiles.org . These pics and their rights belong to Bret Welch:



In the past couple years, I have seen a dramatic increase in the interest of venomous species husbandry. I would like to outline some points to consider.

Legallity/Community:
Is it legal to keep venomous reptiles in your state, county, and city? Illegal keeping of venomous reptiles hurts us all. Particularly if yo are bitten. Newspapers will read "Man Bitten by Deadly "Pet" Snake in Own Home", "Pet Cobra Bites Local Man", or "Man Keeping Illegal Deadly Viper is Admitted to Hospital". These headlines cause legislation to be passed. That hurts us all. Most venomous keepers are pretty low profile, not because of legality, but because of the way we are persecuted by the public. It is bad enough (in the public eye) to have a Boa, much less a Rattlesnake! And trust me, these people vote! I am completely legal where I live. But none of my neighbors know what is in a sealed room in the basement. Am I scared............. yes. If they knew that I had around 40 "Poisonous" Snakes in my home, there would be a public outcry. Imagine this..... Now I have seen Copperheads in the creek accross the street. A child is playing in the creek, she gets bitten by a Copperhead, what will be the reaction of the community? " BWSmith has 'Poisonous' Snakes, one of his must have escaped!" And you can imagine what could happen from there. They will not care that I do half a dozen displays a year at nature centers, that I perform Herpetological Surveys for Dept. of Natural Resources, that I teach many classes on snakes and snakebite. They don't care. I am "endangering their children." I am a "Menace". For the general public, snake keepers are crazy, venomous keepers are lunatics! How many times have you heard "The only good snake is a dead snake"? Imagine the reaction if it was a rattlesnake or a cobra. I remember a guy who was going through a park scaring people with his ball python. Within a couple weeks, ALL snakes were banned int he city. Alabama.......... A high school kid bought a few venomous from a dealer (ther were no venomous laws at the time except age 1. His Spitting Cobra escaped his apartment! Within weeks...... gues what.......... new laws were passed. That is how one incident can jeopardize us all. Know the laws!

Reasons:
WHY do yo want to keep a venomous snake? This is a very important question. You must ask this to yourself and answer it to yourself. Be honest with yourself. Why do you want ot keep venomous? I have found a couple reasons that people do this. 1: A complete fascination with venomous. I will say that venomous are completely different than nons. Act different, the move different, and they have a different attitude. It almost seems that they know that they are armed. They are fascinating. 2: Education: This derives from the passion, but takes it one step farther. This is taking that passion to the public. Putting these animals (safely) in front of the public to educated them on the truth about venomous and snakes in general. If we can save one Pygmy Rattlesnake from being decapitated, it helps. 3: Adrenaline: This one is dangerous. These are the people that keep venomous for the pure fact that they are dangerous. They get off on the danger. Make no mistake, when a 6 foot cobra strikes and charges you, you will get the rush! That is biology and self preservation. But these are people that put their lives on the line for sake of doing it. I know one man who's first SNAKE was a Gaboon Viper! 4: "Macho-ism": Ther are those that think that keepign venomous makes them cool or tough. "Don't mess with me! If I can keep a Cobra, I can deal with you!" or even worse, just trying to show off that they can handle a dangerous animal. These are the most dangerous keepers. They are "6 feet tall and bulletproof." The last two catagories probably constitute most captive bites. Let me squash the rumors: Venomous Snakes are NOT a status symbol or a sign of how tough you are! They are inherently dangerous and deadly animals who deserve the upmost respect. Now this is the most important thing: YOU MUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF. Why do you want to keep a hot? If it is for either of the last two reasons, don't do it! Noone else has to know why, just don't do it. You have to be comitted to these animals 100%. The minute you stop respecting them, they get you!

The Risk:
Are you ready to take the risk. Let's examine that for a moment. What are you risking? For some species, mangling your body. Can you live without a finger, hand, toe or foot? Would you blame the snake for inflicting such damage? What about the pain? A venomous bite is likely to be the most painful thing you are likely to have to endure. Is it worth haveing your hand feeling like someone is peeling the skin off? OK, let's move on. Another possibility: DEATH!!!!!!! Are you willing to risk your life for the animals you love? No matter how many precautions you take, you WILL have to deal witht he animal in close range if not touching it! Are you willing to risk that? I would venture to say that most venomous snakes are capable of causing a human fatality. Now there are many species who are known for severe, permanent physical damage, like the Cottonmouth. Again, let me squash the rumor. I have a cottonmouth that HAS TAKEN A LIFE! Now I am not mentioning her as a screwed up staus symbol, it is an example how 99% of the bite victims may recover, but there are always those that don't. Are you willing to take that risk. Let's move on to money real quick. Now I am not talking about the price of the snake or the food. I am talking about medical bills. I will leave it with one sentence: A moderate to severe Easern Diamondback envenomation will run about 2 weeks in intensive care and about $120,000 Again, are you willing to take the risk?

Experience:
Here is a tricky one. Noone else can tell you when and if you are ready for a venomous. It comes back to being honest with yourself. You HAVE TO KNOW that you are ready. There can be no doubt. You have to be comfortable with your skills and the snake. But on the other edge of the sword, you can never lose respect for the snake or become lax in your handling. I have even found myslef doing it. Getting too comfortable with a snake and becoming a little relaxed in my handling. I am not ashamed to admit that. It only takes one close call to bring you back to reality! But that close call may be a bite next time! One bit of advice is that you have several years of handling very aggressive nonvenomous species of all kinds. And every time you get bit by one, repeat to yourself "if that had been venomous, I might be dead!". My second bit of advice is to find an experienced ven keeper near you who will take the time to train you. You can only learn so much from books. You need to see it done and done properly. Personally, I had 2 years of training every weekend before I got my forst Pygmy Rattler. And by that time, I had worked with about every venomous species you can imagine, from Pygmies to Cobras to Gaboons to Puffs to Kraits to Bushmasters, Spitters and Mambas (I don't like working with Mambas or Spitters). I will leave this with one sentence again: YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE READY.

Housing:
Are you prepared to house a venomous snake? This has a couple different points. First is the snake itself. Just like any snake, can yo provide the environment it needs? Lighting, hiding, basking, hunidity, and brumation? And most important in houseng venomous is security. Can you house it safely? This is not just for the snake, but for you, your family, and the community. Remember my mention of the escaped spitting cobra.............. poor housing. Ther are two major things to consider here: Can it get out of the cage and what if it does? I strictly abide by the standard of a "Hot Room". This a room fro venomous snake. The room is as sealed as any cage. Even by a feat of magic (or a lapse in locking a cage), it cannot escape the room. I will talk about "Standard" glass terrariums for a moment. Lets not forget that venomous snakes have fangs. They CAN go through a screen. I happent o be present when somone put their arm on top of an aquarium with a rattler in it. We looked over and ther was a fang poking throught he screen about 1/4 inch form his elbow. We have a term called "Double Screen". Basically, it is one screean with another an inch above it. That eleminates the possibility of breaking through for MOST species. Enclosures must be escape proof and safe for the snake and the keeper. Secured, locked and in a secured room. Are yo prepared to go throught he effort of creating this environment?

OK. That is the introduction....................... I am tired now and am afraid I will lose everything if I do not post now. More is to come. But this should give some food for your brain. And just for good measure:


The same bite from above, just a different view at a different time.

Vegetarians, the other white meat.
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XzyluM on 08-29-2002, 08:14 AM
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Awesome article Brian! Definately, anyone even considering getting a "hot" should read this and think twice.
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Billybob on 08-29-2002, 08:25 AM
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i was wondering if there is a law saying that you have to be 18 to keep hots i know that you have to be 18 to buy them. by no means do i want one i dont even know if its legal to keep them here i live in los angeles county and theres a very confusing law about native rattlesnakes my friend wanted a rattlesnake so he went to the mountains and caught one, the next day at school he went around braggind to all his friends and teachers about it, sure enough the next day the game warden was at his house. that was when we thought it was legal., and a lot of people i know say its legal but im confused. they say he got it taken away cuz he's a minor.
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LdyDrgn on 08-29-2002, 08:34 AM
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BillyBob, in another forum, BW posted a wonderful link to get the basics on venomous laws in the various states

Coastal Reptiles

I would think that when dealing with venomous it would not surprise me if there were limitations to age for this issue (age is never indicative of maturity....BUT you still have to be 21 to drink alcohol in this state, and any teenage idiot can have a kid...go figure). [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Dr.Oviparous on 08-29-2002, 08:46 AM
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Great post Brian! I don't ever plan on keeping hots, but I love learning about them (I'm a lurking member of venomousreptiles.org actully [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] ). I agree, this is an article that everyone thinking about keeping hots should read. I think your point about "why" keep hots is a very valid one.with so many awsome species of harmless snakes somebody should really think hard about why they want to keep venomous. A great reason is education, it's great what you do. I'd really like to hear more about the cancer reasearch your getting into, is it inconjunction with a univercity, or what? anyway, that's great. thanks for the post!

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Joltman on 08-29-2002, 09:44 AM
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brian you pointed out some very good points in the article. I personally would never keep a hot at all. Not to mention they are illegal here. I would suggest you post that article everywhere you can that deals with the keeping of hots. Nice job man
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Ed_r on 08-29-2002, 02:11 PM
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Brian Excellent post!!! I hope all the people that are considering keeping hots read this. probably like you feel I really hate to see people want to try their hands at hots, and also hate to see them say i want a large boid too. Yes i'm tempted too keep them, but the little voice in my head says you have kids so dont do it. You have to think about others in your life not just if you are ready for it. is your family ready for it too.
WTG Brian I hope you made allot of people think, I know I have.
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BWSmith on 08-29-2002, 03:44 PM
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The cancer research is interesting. There is a protien called Contortrostatin that was discovered by Dr. Markland and derived from Southern Copperhead Venom. This protien is used in the treatment of Breast, Ovarian, and Brain Cancer. A while back, I contacted Dr. Markland with an idea - a selective breeding program of Southern Copperheads in order to increase the consentration of Contortrostatin. Thus we could get much more from each milking. Cancer is not going to go away, so starting this program now may have a dramatic effect in the future supplies of Contortrostatin. We are currently working through the logistics (he is in Cali). But he has sent me a list of people to contact and hopefully we can work together with a milking facility to complete this (I can't afford the equipment [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] ). Here's to hoping.
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RevMojo on 08-29-2002, 03:53 PM
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Great post BW. I've no interest in keeping hots, this just reiterated most of 'em.

Something I've been wondering about and have forgotten to ask for a while...I know about PK's criminal history (OK, it was probably self-defense) but how did you end up with her?
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BWSmith on 08-29-2002, 04:17 PM
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The ven community is a little strange (LOL). And, sadly, the snake handling preachers are a part of it. Every so often they come over with a big wooden box full of snakes to sell to raise money for their church. But this time, they only came with one snake. Mike Knight bought her from the preachers. They didnt want her after what she had done. And there she stayed for a year. After a year, I took her home and she has been with me for over two. That is why we say that she has not been with a male for 3 years "confirmed" before she dropped a couple babies. We dont know what happened before that. Jessa has even got to meet a couple of the snake preachers. They are an interesting bunch. We are trying to plan a trip to visit one of their services to get some good photos. Needless to say, I will stick to holding my camera in that church and nothing else [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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zero_point_one on 08-29-2002, 05:04 PM
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I'll be honest, until I met BW I would never have considered owning a hot. I wanted to own a snake, but would never have considered a hot. Not out of dislike, not out of fear, but because it never crossed my mind. I grew up in Florida and Georgia, so I was always aware of what a ven could do if you got too close. It was always, "There are cottonmouths in that lake, don't go near it."

I would not recommend to anyone to own hots. There is a snake in my basement who has KILLED A MAN! This is serious business. Yes, I admit that I'm a hypocrit, but there is a reason why I own and handle venomous and that is because of my fiancee.

BW neglected to address on reason for wanting to own hots, which is a very rare reason: a constant contact with them. That's my situation. I own two: a copperhead and a canebreak. I am learning because I have a constant contact with them. I saw it as a necessity to learn because of my almost daily exposure to them.

In those 10 months I've met people who only have 9 fingers, who talk about having to have the finger amputated because the smell was so keeping them awake. I've been to the hospital to visit someone whose pet diamondback had a feeding response and tagged him on the finger. I've met people who are careless about their venomous and are going to be the next story on the 6 o'clock news.

But I have also met the 14 year old kid who is so passionate about them that he knew to get seek out an experienced handler (with permission from his parents) and travel to another state to expand his knowledge.

I have more to say, but we have no power in my office right now and I only have so much battery power.
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bensnacks on 08-29-2002, 05:36 PM
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I must admit ,(I feel I'm having a confessional here), I do plan on
one day owning a pair of "Hots".
Acanthopis antarticus, they are IMO a truly beautiful animal
and I would still have a special intrest in them even if they posed no threat.

Bear in mind this is in a couple of years time , they are also slow (across the ground )
and cannot climb up a snake hook. This has a huge bearing on my decision.
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Ed_r on 08-29-2002, 05:37 PM
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LMAO @ 0.1 Glad to see your priorities for using the last remaining power for your PC.hahaha [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]
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Hibidyjibidy on 08-29-2002, 07:37 PM
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Thanks for the info.
My addition is not to upset anybody but to clear my side up.

With the post that BW just submited i would have just let sleeping dogs lie and just forgot about the hot idea. I'm not someone who's warped by people' critisism but i do heed it. If i try and take on life from another angle, i don't try it... i do it at the best of my ability! I'm not a person to be stopped by comments like "don't walk across that bridge because it's unsafe". I say... I wont... directly... I will find another way. Do you know what i mean? I want a pig but i am willing to wait for the privilage. I don't see them as a status or even a need, though i am intreaged by the personality (act) and the difference degree of difficulty or respect in nature for the animal in comparison. This will not be an animal i want to handle nor will i display it for anyone. Think of me as a hermit powered by interest.
There is only one more ven which i would like and that is the gold eyelash viper. With this complete collection of herps, including my green annie, nile monitor and iguanas i have my own personal selected species collection. I don't need anything, though the want and dedication is huge. Is that enough for belief and support from other herpers or do they need blood?
I believe in common sense and anyone without should seek help in this topic. I will not argue with anyone whether if i am ready or not (IMO... nobody really is and it is just not an issue to ask somebody permission to be put at risk) because other than attitude and experience, nobody can feel what you are capable of mentally. I'm not trying to advertise or even condone my want but will say that i am definately willing to accept hands on work/tuition before accepting a ven in my collection. I inquired about a pig to see where i stand. The response was rude but i respect that! I have plenty of time to build my collection and wanting to fill it now, i will say is premature.
Give me a book, i will read. Give me a snake hook, i will demonstrate. Allow me to sleep with a ven, i have my limits! I value life, both animal and human and respecting such a thing means doing the right thing. I will wait.
Thanks.
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BWSmith on 08-29-2002, 08:18 PM
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I think that you are making a wise choice. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

As far as rude replies: One thing that you must understand is that there is not really a halfway when it comes to hots. For the most part, you are engulfed by it or you are not. Most ven keepers are very passionate about what they do and are wary of newcomers and how they will affect the hobby. I can generally deter more people from keeping hots by staing facts and telling stories than I can by yelling "What Are You, An IDIOT! You will KILL yourself!" It seems that you got a taste of both [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] If the willingness to train is there, perhaps there is the potential there, too.
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Kim on 08-29-2002, 08:54 PM
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What a fantastic post on Venomous snakes. I'm printing it to use in my programs. It says everything I would want it to say. I love these snakes but no matter how long I deal with reptiles (twenty two years now) I will never feel that I am skilled enough to keep them. I have handled a couple cobras, a gaboon viper and a WDB. It was thrilling and scary but even though they stayed mellow in my hands, I knew that I would never to able to control them for any length of time --they are completely in charge-- and that had my blood turning cold!

They are the most beautiful (and safest!) from afar. Not only is there extreme danger for the keepers but there is a real threat to wild hots if the popularity for keeping them increases. How sad it would be to experience a rattlesnake in a cage only because there are none left in the wild. That actually goes for any animal, reptile, or invertebrate on the planet.

If it is an absolute MUST for someone then no amount of preaching will stop the person from getting one. If this is the case then I say to that person OK, then follow a couple things:

One. Try your very hardest to get a captive-bred hot -- do not take them from the wild. There are breeders.

Two. Spend lots and lots and lots (ad infinitum) of time with handlers before you even get your snake and do not purchase it until you get the Ok from whoever is mentoring you. if you live in the New England area, NERD (New England Reptile Distributors in NH) can really help.

Three. Read every single book you can, search every internet site you can to get as much information as your brain will hold. This includes researching venom. In fact, research who has appropriate anti-venom in your area. (You can purchase the Antivenom Index. I have a 1999 version; there must be a later version because mine does not list CroFAb, the new and latest anti venom being used.)

Finally, (but certainly not least important) check the Laws--Both CITIES and your state law.

Again, An excellent post BW.
Kim


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zero_point_one on 08-29-2002, 11:10 PM
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>>LMAO @ 0.1 Glad to see your priorities for using the last remaining power for your PC.hahaha [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

We all must have our priorities - didn't want to lose my post and have to start over.
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Still no power at the office, so I'm home now.

Now, in all seriousness, it is a major decision to make and not one to make lightly. You must know your own limits when it comes to your collection of herps. You need to know your own limits when it comes to your and your families personal safety. I commend bensnacks for taking the time to make this decision.

I admit that I would never have owned a hot if it wasn't for my relationship with BW. There is nothing more humbling in the world than going down to our basement and looking at what's behind the glass. They are a thing of beauty that I both fear and respect.
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cobra_fangs on 09-05-2002, 02:22 AM
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Excellent post BW!!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Just like some people said earlier, do you want to look likr that!!!!
Especially if you do not have any experience.
Here is another link you might want to see. I just redid my website with my new software (FrontPage) Snake Bite Photos
Will W.
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cobra_fangs on 09-09-2002, 04:26 AM
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[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] New website address for the bites: Photos
Will W.
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RevMojo on 09-20-2002, 06:16 PM
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Here's another tip...grow a 3rd eye. OK, maybe not literally, but after having watched BW in the hot room last nite, I have a much better understanding of the concentration and awareness that is necessary for keeping hots. I still have no interest in keeping em, but it's nice to be able to go see some every now and then.
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