Who here is also seeking out to take in rescue reptiles... - Page 2

#21 (**permalink**) 05-05-2002, 06:14 AM

HAHA Cap'n I live on the east coast.. don't know and could care less where the citeies are from each other on the west coast states like Cali.. Was just trying to figure out "where" exactly you are in relation to that area. NOW IF ya had said something like I am xxx miles north of xxx I might have understood where ya are lol [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]
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impermanentrage · #22 (**permalink**) 05-05-2002, 06:28 AM

I won't take "giant" (amethystines, burms, retics, condas,etc.) snakes, venomous, monitors that exceed 50 lbs. , or aquatics(crocs,turtles,etc).

Anything else is dependent on room at the time. Currently i am not, but that seems to be open to interpretation.

Entropy,
Alex
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Barrin · #23 (**permalink**) 05-05-2002, 06:44 AM

I could find room for two biggens or 4 small ones.
I could never turndown the ones in need! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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GizmO · #24 (**permalink**) 05-05-2002, 06:45 AM

Hey Lori,
You know Eddie and I are taking resuces but all that we have right now already have homes.
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#25 (**permalink**) 05-06-2002, 01:05 AM

Oh I know you guys do Np Giz ! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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#26 (**permalink**) 05-06-2002, 01:11 AM

For those of you that are or willing to...How about putting your info like...

Name :
location :
email addy :
site addy :
What you can or can't take in and work with :
Whether you have the resources or not to work with ones that need rehabbing :

Just copy and send it to me ..I'll work on putting up a page that lists sources like this for rescue etc and the info can be submitted by anyone who's not on the list too. My email is LORI_SnakesRule@redtailboa.net
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#27 (**permalink**) 05-06-2002, 09:52 AM

OK..Never mind that last post.. I got it on a page now for the information.. this is the LINK
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pythonman#1 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-10-2002, 03:29 AM

>>Lori, I have just taken in 2 rescues if you need me let me know.I am in Michigan. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Hey you know John won't let you get anymore snakes. lol I have a tiger retic that you can recue lol j/k. BTW hows the boa doing?
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Joltman · #29 (**permalink**) 05-10-2002, 04:02 AM

I do take in rescues some times but more unless I rehab for friends. I also am running out of room quick so what I do is find someone that wants to adopt or buy the animals in question. IE I just sent snakepool a burm for free. that is what I find I do nore then anything
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DianeOr · #30 (**permalink**) 05-10-2002, 04:16 AM

LORI, Since I got scared and dropped Taboo into her tank after feeding,,,,,, [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] I guess I don't qualify!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] My heart is in it, but I'm a wimp!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]
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#31 (**permalink**) 05-10-2002, 06:42 AM

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UMM..Who's John ?? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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txgirl266 · #32 (**permalink**) 05-10-2002, 06:54 AM

Once I get set up back in Texas I will gladly take in any rescue except for Hots! Sorry but I have a small child and I don't want to take any chances! I would totally be willing to auction them off to help out the RTB site! As long as there wasn't expensive vet bills I wouldn't seek any money! I will let you know when I get home and you can direct people towards me... I will be living in the Corpus Christi area!
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eddie · #33 (**permalink**) 05-12-2002, 12:55 PM

I'm sorry, but I have to say this...
I look at auctioning off rescues as the same as outright selling them...
When I do rescue placement, I am looking for a permanent home for them, not a purchaser that is going to one day say, Hmmm, I paid for it, so I may as well sell it to the first person with the cash...

I am 100% AGAINST auctioning off rescued animals.
Even if it is for a good cause.

When I look for a home, I am looking for one that is untill the end of life for the animal, or unless the adopter wants to get rid of it, then it reverts back to me for either permanency with me or a more permanent home than before.
If I get one for free it goes the same, with exception of any shipping fee or if it has MAJOR medical bills, which i may keep the animal or adopt it with a possible small fee to help offset some thing some where, such as future meds or food for another.

If a rescue was auctioned off, I would feel that this site had attained petco status as in selling any animal for any reason to anyone with the right amount of cash to walk out the door with it....

That's my $5 worth.. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img]
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eddie · #34 (**permalink**) 05-12-2002, 07:31 PM

I just put a thumbtack on this one.
I seriously want to get some other opinions on the auction thing......
Especially concerning rescues.
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rainbowlishiss · #35 (**permalink**) 05-12-2002, 07:51 PM

Well.. I maybe considered still relatively new here due to my lack of postings.. but..

I agree with Eddie. If your doing a rescue, its called a RESCUE for a reason. And I dont see as to how or why one would want to AUCTION off one of these animals after knowing its history, or lack there of as the case might be.

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not downing anyones thoughts or opinions.. This is just my opinion that I'm voicing.
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slaponte · #36 (**permalink**) 05-28-2002, 01:17 AM

Interesting. Another Issue worth taking about.

To start, let me say, I disagree. I think it would be perfectly good to auction or sale a (totaly rehabilitated) rescue. Before I get slaped around, let me state why I think so.

What makes a rescue (vs an adoption)? Somebody who gives you their animal for free, does that make it a rescue? In my eyes a rescue is an animal in dire need of help, usually medical/rehab because of mistreatment, medical problems or uninformed/unprepared owners. Do we agree so far?

Now, a rescue might get better (or not, and die). If the rescue gets to the point of total rehab, you know have an adoptable animal. If the rescue gets better, but not totaly back to "normal", you have a rehab. I don't think rehabs should be sold, auctioned, etc.

But a rescue that is totaly rehab, back to normal, eating well, good weight, all the normal traits of that species, whould be now considered an adoption potential. Why not? And an auction is just another method to find a home and make up for some of the expense of rehab work. An auction or raffle can allow moderate income owners (good qualified owners that might not have the same cash flow as others) a chance to own a special animal they otherwise would not have.

I don't equate it to Petco because at Petco (or Petsmart) any Joe/Jane off the street walks in, sees something interesting, buys it, and walks out. I don't think of redtailboa.net as such a casual place. We have many new people come in, but if they aren't "herp" oriented, they would not stay long. Is not the same as auctioning off at EBay, let say, or Yahoo.

I urge you to consider this. Every time you make it hard to adopt one of these animals, all the potential owner has to do is walk down the street and buy it from Petco, Petsmart, or even the next local herp show. You are pushing a prospective owner to ADD to the rehab/adoption problem, instead of taking that oportunity to inform, educate and maybe convince somebody that what they are asking about might NOT be right for them.

You, the rehab/adoption person, have rescued this animal, maybe brought it back to health. Now, if you aren't keeping it, you want to find a home for it. This is already a far better situation for this animal than what it had before. Again, I don't say post it on Yahoo at lowest bid, but giving your fellow herp-loving society a chance at giving this animal a home can't be a bad thing, and if you can make up a part of the cost you went through to get him/her here and help you continue doing this work, then I don't see why some money exchange is a bad thing.

Obviously I would not sale or auction/raffle an animal with special needs and/or requirements.
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eddie · #37 (**permalink**) 05-28-2002, 02:44 AM

I guess ya forgot to read one before ya posted....
Here it is again.
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sorry, but I have to say this...
I look at auctioning off rescues as the same as outright selling them...
When I do rescue placement, I am looking for a permanent home for them, not a purchaser that is going to one day say, Hmmm, I paid for it, so I may as well sell it to the first person with the cash...

I am 100% AGAINST auctioning off rescued animals.
Even if it is for a good cause.

When I look for a home, I am looking for one that is untill the end of life for the animal, or unless the adopter wants to get rid of it, then it reverts back to me for either permanency with me or a more permanent home than before.
If I get one for free it goes the same, with exception of any shipping fee or if it has MAJOR medical bills, which i may keep the animal or adopt it with a possible small fee to help offset some thing some where, such as future meds or food for another.

If a rescue was auctioned off, I would feel that this site had attained petco status as in selling any animal for any reason to anyone with the right amount of cash to walk out the door with it....

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Do you realize that the majority of us do NOT make it hard to adopt an animal?
What is so hard about reading a paper and then writing a few things down and signing it?
Oh yeah, I forgot, this is the age of INSTANT gratification, where if ya have to work(write) then it is too hard and ya gotta go buy it cause its easier to pull out a wallet and the cash than it is to fill out a simple form.

The form I use is just as Reticu-Lady said in another post, to cover my butt.
Most states allow rescues as non profit organizations.
As soon as a price is put on a rescue with a for sale sign, the rescue just became a taxable business.
Some states even have laws prohibiting the sale of any rescued animal.
As for the applications, most are simple compared to what is required by the county shelters here. In Meck county, it is a questionaire that you have to fill out, get approved and then fill out another application any time you want another species.
Its questions are about their housing, care foods, foods that are bad, diseases and problems, what can make them go off feeding, the light cycles and requirements or lack of and your name address, liscence and it is kept on file.
If an animal is released on a med waiver, you will have X number of days to get the animal seen by one of the two vets that are approved by the shelter (for reptiles) and if not seen in that time, then they will come hunting for you to get the animal back.

So what now is so hard about writing a few things down and signing your name?
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slaponte · #38 (**permalink**) 05-28-2002, 04:10 AM

>>I guess ya forgot to read one before ya posted....
>>Here it is again.
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I deleted the quote to save space/time. It was not necesary. I read it. You said your opinion, I said mine...

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>>Do you realize that the majority of us do NOT make it hard to adopt an animal?

No I don't. That was NOT my experience. The ones I tried make it very hard, so I gave up. It doesn't matter, I am just one potential adopter. But if my experience is average, then the people trying to place the animals might want to learn from it. You and others who do this don't have to get defensive about it. It is input from your fellow animal lovers, thats all.

>>What is so hard about reading a paper and then writing a few things down and signing it?

Not much. At most time, it takes a few minutes. After question thirty something, I start to wonder why am I doing this "the hard way"...

>>Oh yeah, I forgot, this is the age of INSTANT gratification, where if ya have to work(write) then it is too hard and ya gotta go buy it cause its easier to pull out a wallet and the cash than it is to fill out a simple form.

Judgemental, Eddie. And uncalled for. You don't know me. Look at it this way : why give some unknown people all kind of personal information over an unsecured media like the web, when the pet shop owner won't even ask my name?

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>>The form I use is just as Reticu-Lady said in another post, to cover my butt.

I read that, and it is an extremely good point. Worst off, it never crossed my mind. Here we have people trying to help animals, other people wanting to adopt, supposedly for the same reason. It would not seem that sueing is part of the venue. Yet, it is part of all our lives. #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& the lawyers!!

>>Most states allow rescues as non profit organizations.
>>As soon as a price is put on a rescue with a for sale sign, the rescue just became a taxable business.
>>Some states even have laws prohibiting the sale of any rescued animal.

I will be the first one that supports your local law. If selling the rescued animal is ilegal in your state, then by all means ignore my opinion.

>>As for the applications, most are simple compared to what is required by the county shelters here. In Meck county, it is a questionaire that you have to fill out, get approved and then fill out another application any time you want another species.
>>Its questions are about their housing, care foods, foods that are bad, diseases and problems, what can make them go off feeding, the light cycles and requirements or lack of and your name address, liscence and it is kept on file.
>>If an animal is released on a med waiver, you will have X number of days to get the animal seen by one of the two vets that are approved by the shelter (for reptiles) and if not seen in that time, then they will come hunting for you to get the animal back.

Comparing your practice to a worst one does not excuse it. In my opinion the county is hurting their intended pourpose by such actions, but hey, they can do what they want. Dade county (where I live) just changed their shelter to a no-kill shelter, and is now doing spay/neuter for free, no questions asked. I great turn of direction with lots of vision, in my belief. The pourpose of these services should not be to make things hard, it should be to accomplish their goal.

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>>So what now is so hard about writing a few things down and signing your name?

Define few, and what things. All I said is I found the questioners too long and intrusive. Consider my point of view: here you are giving away all kind of personal information at a web site where you don't know who will read it, or who will get their hands on it? Why not a shorter form, with basic info, and then some phone/personal screening?

Anyway, the thread here was about selling/not selling rescues and adoptions. The thread about the adoption forms was at the adoption forum.

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eddie · #39 (**permalink**) 05-28-2002, 09:00 AM

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Most of us give an option of doing that or copying the form and letting potential adopters to snail mail it to us.

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Anyway, the thread here was about selling/not selling rescues and adoptions. The thread about the adoption forms was at the adoption forum.

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Hehe, you mentioned it in your post....
So did I and others...

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From personal experience....
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Maybe we need to start a spay/nueter program on them! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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impermanentrage · #40 (**permalink**) 05-29-2002, 06:45 AM

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1) How many shelters do you have in Miami/Dade? Most large cities have more than one. One is usually maintained by local revenue via taxation, the other[s] is[are] under various non-profit organizations(SPCA, HSUS, AHA, various privately run humane societies). Invariably what happens is , the publically owned shelter takes everything within the local municipality, by law they have to. The non-profits can turn you away for any reason. Usually they don't however, because its bad PR. So the shelter staff has to kiss your a$$. But what happens when you drop off a feral cat whose progeners hadn't even so much as seen a human before? Yo think they aren't gnna kill it? Think again. No-kill shelter is a lie. Trust me. They simply drop off your problem to someone else. You have any idea how many animals get turned away from no-kill shelters everyyear? Only to be dropped off at a shelter (usually publically funded) that still performs euthanasia on unadoptable animals?
2)Who runs this *ahem* "no-kill" shelter? How long do you think they will be able to perform S/N options on these animals before they are overrun and need to build more kennels? I don't know who's paying for this, but if it's not privately funded and/or based on donations, chances are it comes from local revenue.
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Comparing your practice to a worst one does not excuse it. In my opinion the county is hurting their intended pourpose by such actions, but hey, they can do what they want. Dade county (where I live) just changed their shelter to a no-kill shelter, and is now doing spay/neuter for free, no questions asked. I great turn of direction with lots of vision, in my belief. The pourpose of these services should not be to make things hard, it should be to accomplish their goal.

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How are we making matters "worse"? By not succumbing to the philosophy that these animals are disposable objects to be given to some 5 year old lil' girl for her birthday? Only to be flushed down a toilet latter when she became "bored with it"? Yeah i guess we should just let whomever come in , on a first come, first serve basis, and adopt whatever they want? One would think , that if you truly cared about the animals that answering a few measley husbandry questions is not much to ask. It's not a high school exam jack, your not gonna fail because you got a few questions wrong. It's merely a means of determining who really is willing to put forth a little extra effort in adopting an animal, and therefore finding out who would make a better keeper. And we don't euthanize reptiles in Char/Meck unless they are severly injured/sick beyond what comfortability , basic, humane captive treatments can afford them. If they are native ven's they are released(or kept in my office until a home can be found). If they are beyond the weight limit (which i'm working on changing) or exotic ven's , they are placed out of county, or in an educational institute in county..
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