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Countryboy · #21 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 07:17 PM

I filled out one of Boa babes application and one for lori and I don't think they were rediculus at all, these reptiles although rehabbed have certain needs and the rehabber needs to know if you have the means and abbility to proprly care for the animal. They may be insulting to you but it is something that the rehabber need to know to make sure you have the ability and experience to keep the animal and to provide it a good home. I'm not saying anyoneon this stie doesn't have the ablility i'm just stating the pourpose of the application questions. The site is looking good Boa Babe

JuliusSqueezer · #22 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 08:17 PM

Ok....some things need to be brought to light. It is one thing to be one of the site sweethearts...but short shorts and red heair does not qualify someone to call themselves a "rescuer". Rachel has ZERO experience in any form of reptile rehab whatsoever. No reptile that has ever been in her care has received any type of rehab. She has ONE year experience keeping reptiles yet turns down an application from someone with several years experience from receiving a burm. The person in question is far more experienced than she is...Where is the green burm she took in several months ago? Still in a small plastic tote? Why was a dehydrated watersnake with mouthrot put to sleep? because it wasn't a 300 dollar snake and didn't deserve rehab? Why was a 12 foot burm with scalerot being soaked for hours every day and released with an RI that had never been treated by her during the 2 weeks in her care? Why would she be keeping burms, Iguanas ...an etb etc with just one year experience when she feels so strongly that years of experience is so important. I do agree by the way that these animals should only be kept by experienced keepers. Practice what you Preach Rachel and STOP jumping in over your head. I am not in any way dissing an application process although I prefer just trusting my own judgment and discussing certain care and keeping practices. Rachel will not adopt out a burm to anyone without vast burm experience...yet when she got her green burm a few months ago...she posted pics asking for identification because she had no idea it was even a burm. WHY IS NOONE SCREENING RACHEL? Why did the SPCA REALLY ban Rachel and Cathy from picking up reptiles there? I don't beleive they would demand forms to be filled out that they didn't provide. Something fishy there but pride is far more important than truth...or so I was told by Rachel.

Why does it matter to anyone if an adopted snake is used in a breeding program? It takes pressure off the wild populations and just because the animal was in a bad spot at one time with one owner doesn't mean that someone here can't find suitable homes for babies....It seems that Rachels application is trying to screen out breeders from adopting....yet...She is pretty deep into some breeding projects of her own ....all from her adoptions that she has taken in.. So why is it not OK for others to do the same?

NOTE TO PEOPLE LOOKING TO ADOPT OUT:

Before surrendering an animal to a so called Rescuer...Screen the rescuer. Find out what experience they have...what meds they have available...what success they have had treating or even identifying certain illnesses.

Rachel,
Being a hardass on an application process does not make up for your own inadequacies...Please slow down...Try and master what you already have and don't be too proud to adopt out what you are in over your head with. No animal's life is worth losing over your ego trip. Let people like Lori, Eddie and others that can actually help sick or injured reptiles do their work without you sitting at home demanding all reptiles be brought to your door. Rescuer and Broker are not synonyms. Are we in a contest to see how many reptiles we can cram in our tiny little houses? Properly house and care for what you have...get everyone feeding and healthy before packing more in...what you are doing is by no means a civil service...it is self fullfilling glutony and for all the wrong reasons.
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Boaguy · #23 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 08:47 PM

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RevMojo · #24 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 11:59 PM

The site looks pretty good, but I've got one question: On the homepage it says y'all are "an alliance of rescuers who ban together" What is it you are seeking to ban? Don't mean to ride your dog, but shouldn't that be "band" as in join rather than "ban" as in forbid? I did look over the application...it didn't seem too terribly intrusive, but I felt that the (Be Honest) after a question was a little...um...I can see how someone who was planning to tell the truth anyway could be a little offended by that. But I suppose if it changes just one person's mind about lying...

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Constrictor_BO · #25 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 01:11 AM

Ok.. I see where a screening of some sort is needed, I am not condoning that. I do not want to see someone starting out get a Burm or anything that gets that large without having experience. On the other hand, I dont see where someone running an adoption place has the right to tell me I am unqualified to adopt certain a certain snake when I have done research on them and have talked to and dealt with someone elses big snake. It is not weather you have had one or not, It is all in how much you are prepared for it. I didnt have any experience with keeping snakes when I got my first one. I had always caught wild ones and let them loose. I did my research, I knew what I was in for, why shouldnt I be able to get it????

And the other thing, If I adopt a snake, that snake is mine. How can you think you should be able to tell me what I can do with it. If I want to breed an adopted snake then thats my right. I know that Boababe has bred snakes that she has gotten in from rescue. Is she any different than I or does she get special privaleges than the rest of us because she does rescue.
The part with "BE HONEST"... If I gave up an animal for reasons other than neglect, Should that stop me from being able to adopt a snake now? I have never gave a snake up like that and hope that I never have to but do you think I would answer that honestly if I felt it would keep me from being able to obtain that snake....
If someone is really wanting to adopt a snake, they wont have any problem talking to you in person and I feel like you can learn more about that person by talking to them rather than reading a application. And not only will you learn about them, you might educate someone who thinks they know but really dont. They might turn out to be someone you can count on later on

I think highly of what BoaBabe is trying to do. I myself am into doing the same, I just think she has high hopes and overlooks the obvious. I have seen on other sites where she seems to be racing others to get the animals in question. There are people out there that are more than able to handle thier own dealings and that person giving up the animal wants nothing but the best for it. If they wanted for BoaBabe or any other adoption agency to have it they would have called them personally and not posted it. Is that really considering "rescuing" that reptile? NO....Why then does she call it rescue and adoption, It is only an adoption. That in my opinion is giving a animal up. Where is it a rescue?
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BoaBabe · #26 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 10:49 AM

This is going to be short as I just came to view this and I have to get some sleep for work tomorrow. But I will reply to every single thing mentioned about me here eventually.
OMG!!! I had no idea that this post would spark such a debate, not to mention attack on me!!! First thing, and one of the things that hurt the most was the reference to "red hair and short shorts" Excuse me for showing off my body. I used to be FAT! I am VERY proud of my body and all the hard work it took to get it. There is NO SHAME in being proud of my body. Because I used to be overweight, I had, have, and always will have, a low self esteem. To get a second glace from someone, does wonders for the self esteem. Would it make everyone happy if I dressed in a nun's outfit? If this is what posting my pics does, then fine...I will never post another pic of myself again.
Yes, I have only just over a year's experience with reptiles. Does the amount of time lessen the quality of my posts? Has anyone thought anything I have typed been sp wrong that it needed a slap in the face? I'm sorry if once I found this site I sucked every bit of imformation I could out of it. When Jules actually thought something of me, he taught me more than I could have learned out of any book. Is it a crime to pass that on? Sorry if I am not an encyclopedia of reptiles, but considering the time I have been doing this, I think I have done pretty well.
I HAVE learned rehab to a degree. While I am not a vet, I have treated RI's, non-feeding and regurging snakes. I know how to inject medications, and treat for some internal parasites with panacur. Those I don't know how to rehab see a vet. Just because someone here didn't teach me these things, that doesn't mean there is no where to learn it. The web is a big broad place with a wealth of info if you take the time to search it. I also have read books and have a friend who is a vet tech. Just because I say I do rehab, that doesn't mean I call myself a rehabber. That's like saying someone who takes a photo is a photographer. I am limited, and I do get help when it's needed. Anymore I don't get it from here because of attacks like this one. I look elsewhere.
As far as learning when I'm in over my head...I have given up a few repties I would have liked to keep in my collection. In particular, the green burm. After doing all that I could to help him recover, I decided to adopt him to someone who could do more (with the adopter knowing the possibility of him having BD)
Before things are posted as facts about me, maybe people should be sure they really are the facts. That (dehydrated watersnake with mouthrot) cost more at the vet than any of the others. And that WASN'T what was wrong with him. He was completely overridden with internal parasites the vet couldn't identify, was not dehydrated, but emaciated. And he had sores all over his body. The vet believed the sores were a result of the parasites eating him away. She said we could try treating him, but first he would have to be hospitalized and put on an IV, then treated for the parasites and even then, the amount of parasites he had, once treated, could cause a blockage and kill him then. When I asked about if it would be more than $500, she said at the very least. Sorry, but I'm not made of money. Anyone want a refernce on that can call "Animal & Bird Health Care Center & Hospital 856-751-2122)
Yes, the word "ban" should be "band"...sorry I am also not a grammar queen.
Breeders are not excluded as adopters, see the current snake for adoption, enough said.
Sorry about the "Be Honest" part in the app, I didn't realize it offended honest people. I just figured it may make a dishonest person think twice about lying. I will remove that part. Thank you for the input.
I am tired now, so more will come later. But before I go, there is one more thing I need to say

THANK YOU EDDIE Seriously, I thank you very much.
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BoaBabe · #27 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 10:55 AM

BTW, just noticed this...who have I turned down for a burm that had years of experience with them? Who have I turned down because they wanted to breed?

And this is off subject of how this thread has turned, but my original reason for looking up this thread was to ask Boaguy12...did you write most of those careseets yourself? You have tons of caresheets! And they are great!!! Certain little things in some of them I don't completly agree with, but they are so minor is doesn't matter. I have never seen so many caresheets on one website! Great job!!
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BoaBabe · #28 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 02:45 PM

I slept well, ty. So much for my post at almost 4 in the morning being short. But with all that I feel I have to speak on, it was short by comparison of what I really wanted to say. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that someone can actually do this for a good reason? I'm being torn because in one aspect I want to clarify everything, but in the other, I feel like if all I am going to get is ridiculed, and to constantly be prooving my intentions, then maybe it just isn't worth it. TALK ABOUT FIGHTING A LOOSING BATTLE. This is why I like reptiles so much, at least they seem to appriciate what I do. I need breakfast.
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Boaguy · #29 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 04:41 PM

boababe, i wrote the caresheets on the site on all the reptiles
i know the proper care for, the rest are ones i didnt write.

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Ophiophagus-hannah · #30 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 04:52 PM

I don't care how many years of experience a Herper has. He could have 6 months to 50 years, it all winds down to the quality of the learning this person has achieved. A person can have snakes for many years and still not be too familiar with the husbandry of them. Cages are filthy, water bowls never changed, temps all wrong etc,etc...Is this person better than the person who day and night every chance they get, tries to absorb all the info they can on the care of their Herps? I have a friend who had snakes for close to 6 years now. Truthfully, I believe I know more than him about his snakes. He just keeps them to show off to girls. The main reason I know more than him is this wonderful WWW that is available to us. There is tons of info to be learned and we all never stop learning. He doesn't utilize a computer, I keep telling him to get one, but he doesn't believe in them! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] I really don't know what everyone is capable of here on this site. All I know is one never retires from learning. Main reason this site is like a magnet! You can learn many different things from different points of view! Long Live RedTailBoa.net!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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eddie · #31 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 05:24 PM

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Sounds like the mystery thing I saw a few months ago in a pair of watersnakes.

They had someting similar to blister disease, but worse. They had very large, fluid filled bubbles all over their boddies. ( Looked like 2nd degree burn blisters on a human)
When the skin could hold no more fluid, or if handled, the blisters would burst and give an appearance of multiple retained sheds unless you cut the loose skin away, which led to an injury risk to the snake if you were to rip or cut good skin.

They were at tha Charlotte Nature Museum, in the care of their curator, who had no idea what it was along with the best vet in town and others out of Research Park in Raleigh, all clueless as to what it is/was - parasite, bacterial, virul or other.
All they knew was there had been only degeneration in the snakes, it was on the increase in the wild population, had no cure since they couldn't identify anything and there was an educated guess by all the vets that it would be an eventual painful death for the snakes with infections.

The pair was being housed in shoe box type boxes with paper towels, quarentined with out water due to their constant soaking, which was adding to the problem. Don't worry, they were getting pedialyte several times a day.

The pair, it seemed, were in a perpetual state of shedding, due to so many blisters in succession and in concurrance. The amount of fluids lost in the blistery areas was at times, more than one could think the snakes would have in their bodies, which gave them a dehydrated, yet, wet and bubbly appearance. The fluids input ( tube/pedialyte) was at times barely keeping up with what they were loosing through their skin.

But in any event, in rescue there are losses, every one knows this.
Some of the losses could be prevented while others, we can't explain WTF happened.

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BoaBabe · #32 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 05:52 PM

After reading my e-mail and thinking about this even more, I didn't even want to reply to this anymore. But, since I said I would....I will.
I DO NOT have a huge breeding project going on. I have one gravid almost completely circlebacked BCI that was mated with a circleback I borrowed from Lori for the purpose of breeding. This is the only rescue I have or ever intend on breeding. I also have decided that after this, I will not be breeding BCI's again (not due to this thread, ty) I do not disqualify people who intend to breed. I do not feel that certain reptiles should be bred (Iguanas and common burms) because there are already so many available they are being tossed away as disposible pets. Yes, I do have a couple of trios of other snakes, but they are ones I BOUGHT. The ones I have I plan on breeding one day are the trio of baby argies I just got, and my BRB's. And I am going to be selective with who the babies go to. Is it so wrong to have snakes that I can feel ethically right about actually making a couple of dollars off of? God knows I don't make a cent off rescues.
No, I cannot choose what someone does with their pet once they adopt it, but I can choose who I adopt to.
As far as whether or not I should be called "rescue & adoptions" or simply "adoptions" who's to say what is considered a rescue? Many people here have called reptiles they have bought, "rescued". Should we all start jumping on them for saying that? No matter how the person gets the reptile, if it was in poor conditions or shape prior to you having it, then you rescued it from the situation. How does a reptile qualify as a rescue? Considering no matter where you get it from, SOMEONE gave it up. It's just a matter of where they gave it up. So only reptiles given up to shelters are considered rescues? I have taken some from people who had to give up their reptile for one reason or another, and while they said it was completely healthy, I get a "completely healthy" beardie with missing toes, missing tip of tail, and crusted spots of stuck on shed. Or a skink that only has 7 out of 20 toes left, or a 7ft boa that is barely as thick as a coke can, or an iggy that has mustard yellow color and can't even barely climb. These all came from people who had to give them up for some reason.
That 12ft burm that was "soaked for hours" was NOT soaked for hours. First of all, he was one from the first group of rescues I ever took in. At that point I had no experience dealing with ill animals as my snakes had never been ill before that. But I did know from reading here a basic idea of what to do. That burm was not soaked. He pooped and got it all over him. So I put him in a rubbermaid, poured warm water over him, and within minutes took him out and towel dried him off. What should I have done? Left his poop all over him? Last I checked that what promotes scale rot?
That Green burm did not live his entire time here in a small rubbermaid, actually, if you consider a 4ft x 18 inch rubbermaid small, I would love to see your place. You must have a mansion! I bought second hand a 4x2 aquarium. So going by the 1 square foot of floor space for every foot of snake rule, he was less than a square foot shorted on space. The bottom section of our big enclosure was actually intended for him (2x

But considering he is no longer here, I figured I could keep a couple of my same sex BCI's in that section.
I'm totally confused on the reference to the watersnake being euthanized because he was not a $300 snake. How many $300 snakes do you think I take in? Last I checked, most of what I take in are $10-$20 iguanas.
I do know my limits and am not trying to pack full my tiny?? little house. Since when is a 4 bedroom house tiny? Especially when only 2 of the bedrooms are being used by people?? How many burms do I have now? NONE, because I realized with the amount of space they would require as adults, I would rather use to house many rescue snakes temporarily than for one or two burms permanently. How is that selfish? I also had decided some time ago to downsize my collection of common BCI's. I did not post anywhere about it for 2 reasons. 1.) I can't decide who to give up because I love them all, and 2.) I knew as soon as I posted it everyone would be taking "dibbs", and I wanted to be able to choose who they go to without feeling guilty for having to turn some people down.
As far as Kathy and I being banned from the Pa SPCA, we are not banned, we simply cannot take any more reptiles till some things get straightened out. Yes, there was a mistake, we choose to deal with someone who ended up giving us a bad rep from one time of him going to the SPCA. We made a bad judge of character on him, and suffered because of it. He acted like a greedy kid in a candy store at the shelter, and told Kathy in front of the head of the SPCA that he was taking all the reptiles that were there at the time other than the iguanas. When Kathy told him I already had people to adopt them, he said, "So, tell her they died or something" Needless to say, the SPCA head did not like this, and said she wanted to check this person out before releasing any more reptiles to us. No, I did not post about this. Who would? Do you think I'm proud of this? "Yeah guys, I can't take reptiles from that shlter anymore because of the idiot we worked with, tell all your friends!" BTW, thanks Jules for bringing that out in the open, talk about add insult to injury. And the SPCA does require forms to be filled out as the animals are placed. Personally I don't care if you don't believe that. You can call the Pa SPCA to confirm that one if you must. Don't expect me to put any further effort forth for you though, I'm not getting out of my seat to find the number for you. The web has yellow pages.
Anyway, the reason I am happy I went to my e-mail before returning here is when I asked the head of a worldwide rescue organization who has been helping me with ideas on setting up the adoption process the simple question about how to get people to understand that the application has to be complete in order to adopt. She went into more than I expected. It waslike deja vu. She told me to expect exactly what's happening (in short). She said alot more than that, but i'm not going into that. The biggest thing she said is actually something I just said on another forum. I'm not here for the people, I'm here for the reptiles. That's it.
And this last one is just for you Jules. Who are you to say I do this for self fullfilling glutony and for all the wrong reasons? As I had told you in e-mail ages ago, while I am only experienced with the care of reptiles for just over a year, I AM NOT NEW TO THE WORLD OF RESCUE. As a child I took in and raised (with the supervision of parents) orphaned wild birds, squirrels and rabbits FROM THE PINE BARRONS WILDLIFE RESERVE, just in case you want to look that one up too. Then in my early 20's I did the same with cats and kittens from the ANIMAL WELFARE SOCIETY OF CAPE MAY COUNTY. I only stopped because the amount of those animals that needed help was soooooo overwhelming I couldn't take the heart break anymore. The amount of reptiles surrendered is NOTHING compared to those.
I think I covered most everything that was hit. If not, oh well. Plain and simple, if you don't like the adoption process, don't adopt. Try checking out other adoptoin sites. If you actually look rather than being shown like I did with mine, you will find they all are strict. There are 2 chioces, take the time to fill out an app and give a needy animal a good home, or buy the reptile and leave a needy one looking for a home.
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BoaBabe · #33 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 06:02 PM

Sorry, I was typing while Eddie put up his last post.

By the description of those snakes, that sounds exactly like what was wrong with the one I had here! He did also have parasites though, so many when his mouth was opened you could see the little reddish buggers all inside.

Ophiophagus-hannah, I'm not sure if you were referring to me, or people that I screen for adoptions, but either way, THANK YOU! As I have said before, I do not disqualify people for lack of experience. As long as they are willing to learn, they can adopt, and some have.

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JuliusSqueezer · #34 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 06:23 PM

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Thank you for making my point. Over the past several months you have been skirting the issue of how little time you have in. So where do you get off judging others experience and abilities. The person you turned down for a burm if I understand correctly was CB76 who in everyone elses opinion that I have spoken to....could take care of probably anything thrown at him. If a person has no experience....so what....they gotta get it somewhere....the question isn't how much they know but how willing they are to learn and how fast they can absorb...and whether they are combative or stuborn on certain subjects.

You may have treated an RI at some point but there was also at least one that went ignored....this is not acceptable. If you want specific animals I can give them. But I don't see where that is necessary.

about the watersnakes with sores....(water blisters that burst when ya touch them?) This is something I am seeing all of a sudden too. I haven't seen anything die from it though yet. Some friends of mine have a Water Python with it. Terramycin seems to do some good but they keep coming back. BUT....Let me tell you something Rachel....Had I had the same mentality as you and your vet about what is worth treating and what should be put down...You would NOT have a pair of ATBs at this time. When I took them in they looked like snake jerky. They had been left for 7 months in a CLOSET with no food, no water, no heat, no light while their owner who had to hide them from his parents sat in jail for SEVEN MONTHS!!! let that absorb. The female was partly rehydrated with my own tears.

Reading books is good...gathering info and absorbing...all good....Knowledge is easily obtained these days...but Wisdom still requires experience and time and there is no way around that. Knowledge is important as far as keeping but after the basics, with most species it is ok to learn some stuff along the way. Rehabbing rescues does not work that way...you need to be able to react quick and be able to troubleshoot and have access to meds...and the stomach for blood and guts the love for your snakes, other people's snakes and snakes you pick up off the road....all equal. It takes a long time of hands on experience to be able to see firsthand what all you exactly have to be ready for. The way you were bringing in animals from the SPCA with no freaking clue what any of them even were...I'm suprised you didn't reach in and whip out a Taipan.

Why do I think you are in this for the wrong reason? When asked to pick up an animal that is not far away from you by someone who has done this for you many times....you ask who get's the snake? oh....not me? sorry can't help. This form of greed is very strange. It isn't greed for the actual snakes...it is greed for the attention and control over people you think you have by gathering them all up and telling people who can have what. You sit up all night looking for free adoptions so you can call them rescues and racing to beat people to them so you can distribute them back out yourself....wow what an ego boost that must be. This is what people are getting sick of and why I am on a campaign to bring you back to earth before you finally blow a sprocket and all these animals have to suffer.

Im happy that you are proud of yourself for not being fat anymore. I suppose that being less of a person somehow makes you more of a person?....I used to be skinny myself and I'm proud to be mansized now. But I wiggle my butt at beefcakes.com not redtailboa.net.

BoaBabe · #35 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 07:25 PM

Now I see why I haven't heard from Lori. Apparently you have had a good talk with her. I only asked because it was along the way and she has always offered to do this before. If she had a problem with this, she should have said, "I'm sorry, but I'm a bit too busy to make another stop" And she had expressed interest in the tegu, so it wasn't like she would be stopping for just me. Considering I hadn't heard from her, I took it that she was too busy and I have arranged to go get them myself. If you are still interested in the tegu Lori, please let me know and I will hold him and any others for you. At this point, till I hear from Lori, I am left to assume that she will not be coming here, not dropping off any iguanas, and not interested in the tegu.
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PythonChick · #36 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 07:27 PM

I don't really want to butt in, but everyone keeps saying that "this one and that one" is a "rehabilitator". So, DO any of you have a rehabilitators license?? If you ARE doing rehab, of ANY animal you should have a license from your state DEC. The NY test is going to be given soon (in April) but you should have registered for it already. I am currently training under a 3 licensed rehabbers in reptiles, mammals and birds, and I would never dream of taking care of an animal unless I had the proper training. Also, I believe that it is illegal to be calling yourself AND advertising that you are a rehabber without a license.
I understand that everyone wants to be a help with these animals, but what happens if you adopt out that animal to someone and then something happens to that animal and they go to another licensed rehabber and they find out that you are doing this? You could be in BIG trouble with the government. And we wouldn't want that to happen to anyone here.

Just my 0.2
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JuliusSqueezer · #37 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 07:44 PM

LOL...no Rachel...that little backstabbing is an entire other issue...I was refering to a boa that you could have helped out with but didn't after being told you wouldn't get to keep it.

Pythonchick... I do things every day that I have no license to do but I do not advertise...People that know me, know what I can or can't do. The problem with wildlife rehab classes is that they focus on the cute and fuzzy or the birds..patching sea turtle shells with bondo etc. You think they care if a watersnake has blisters? I get all of my meds and many supplies from Vets that know me and trust in my abilities. I keep a patient file under the name rescue/rehab at my vet so anything he dispenses to me is legal. Most vets and licensed rehabbers do not have the time to focus on just snakes....I have that leisure as snakes are mostly what I have been working with for nearly 30 years. I don't do it for profit, I don't care about license or a certificate on my wall...all I care about is seeing animals become healthy.
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BoaBabe · #38 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 08:14 PM

No, I'll be the first to admit (as I already did in an earlier post) I am not a licenced rehabber. I am working on setting up an apprenticeship with a rehabber in NJ though. I know Jules will have a comment for this, so NO, I don't live my life on this site, so there are things you will hear out of me now because you are forcing me to prove myself. I don't advertize on my site that I am a rehabber. I mention the reptiles need to be rehabbed, but I don't say who. Who is my vet who prescribes the meds and gives me directions on administering them.
That's great you were able to care for the ATB's Jules, I don't have the skills you do, and in order to save that watersnake it would have cost me a fortune that I didn't have after already shelling out $350 for the bill I already had. I'm sorry, but I have a child to care for also. Everyone has capabilities on exactly how much they can do. Not everyone is a snake saving God like you.
I don't know what was said, but I NEVER rejected CB76 for the burm! In fact, I held the burm for him (not advertizing him as available) for about a month for him! We kept setting dates for him to come get the snake, and things kept stopping him. His car was broken down, a friend was going to le him borrow a car or a friend was going to drive him. I even had a guy who adopting an iguana who was willing to transport the burm, but he was not a snake person, so he needed CB to meet him the same day to get the burm. CB didn't read that e-mail for a few days, and I had no luck with the phone, so that opportunity was missed. So finally it was decided that I look elsewhere. BUT, I left the option open that if he did still manage to find a way, to contact me and if I still had the burm, he could still have him. Yes, he had to come get him. I have been to NY once in my life and that was by bus. I have a horrible sense of direction and would have been driving in circles forever. The only way I can get around in a place I don't know is if I have someone with me who can read directions to me while I drive. Sorry if I am not a road map either. My husband works midnight shifts, sleeps into the early afternoon, and I'm not starting a long drive that would keep my son up late. While I love reptiles, I have priorties, and my son is my first.
As far as letting one go with an RI is unacceptable, I had no choice. When I was asked to pick him up, no one knew he was sick. We just knew he was at the shelter and was going to be destroyed if no one picked him up. When I picked him up, arrangements were already made for his transport. And I DID offer to take him to the vet and pay for it till reimbersement could be made, but MANDY decided she would rather wait and take him to her vet. As far as the reptiles from the SPCA....they are a kill shelter....no pick up in 72 hours...DEAD REPTILE How is taking them out of there, taking them to a vet, or more qualified person, or treating things I am capable of, worse than DEAD?
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BoaBabe · #39 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 08:26 PM

What boa is this? Maybe my memory is getting bad these days because I don't remember that one? Do you really think I keep every reptile that comes through here? Without looking at my records I would say about 35 reptiles have been placed since I've been doing this (mostly iguanas) you don't hear about it here because no one here is interested in iguanas. When I posted them here before no one replies other than they will keep an eye out for anyone interested, or ask their friends. Oh, it just hit me...when Lori asked for me to pick up that (I thought it was a burm) I never asked if I could keep it! That's just your wild imagination. I was already out on the road picking up reptiles when she called. And when I did get her message it was after 10pm and driving all day with a 3 and 7 year old in the car. Sorry, but I'm not going to plop these kids in the car at 10:30 at night and say, "Let's go driving for another 4 hours!" The reptiles I had picked up were in rubbermaids and pillowcases and needed to be set up in something better. Should I have made those reptiles and my family suffer? It's not like the snake was out sitting in a parking lot or anything. I did what you have been preaching, I priortized.
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JuliusSqueezer · #40 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 09:43 PM

I agree the SPCA reptiles need to be picked up...but by someone capable. That is out of your realm. I support their decission to cut you off there and I'm sure they will find or have found someone to take them with motives other than trying to make a name for themselves. I know you feel that you were their only hope and that noone else cares. But trust me....there are others. SPCA is a kill shelter? since when? Their website states that they are not.

Now then....Let me ask you this. If someone posts an animal for adoption and you don't want it...like the cornsnake you now have....why didn't you just allow someone who was looking for one to get it. Why do you think you have to decide where everyone else's animals go? You and Lori are now talking to the same guy suposedly at the same time about a group of lizards...none of which you have experience and/or the means to house. Do you plan to keep them all or is this just something else to post on the adoption thing to give your site substance? You said Lori can contact YOU if she wants the tegu. If you do not want the tegu, why would you be going after it? Lori has already made arrangments with the guy for pickup too. Why is it so important that you would stab a friend in the back to take animals that you won't even keep, knowing that she was looking for exactly everything in that group for educational purposes....Rachel....ever watch "Little House on the Prairie"?....Remember Nellie Olsen? ...anyway...lost my train of thought for a second. You are not the all mighty broker of reptiles...You are providing no service by keeping them in plastic and letting your husband choke hold them while you see who kisses butt enough to be worthy of YOUR screening process. Your application appears to screen against future breeding...so when mentioned, you scrambled to post a cornsnake and state "Prefer Breeders" That went over a whole other line. Why do you care if it's a pet or a breeder....what business is that of yours? Why do you even have this cornsnake? Is this another one someone was looking for a good home for that you swooped in and nabbed out from under someone so you could yet again post it for adoption? From time to time, I have adoptions available...know where I get em? People either contact me to take them and either keep them or find a good home for whatever their reasons may be...or I run into people and while talking about snakes they bring up...either they or someone they know has one they can't or won't take care of and needs help or rescue. If you don't want it for your own collection....Please leave the classifieds alone and let joeblow adopt out his own snakes. All you are doing is causing the animals more time in transition.

About cb76...I don't know what all transpired...your storys change with the wind but at one point you stated that you didn't feel he had enough experience to take care of a burm. You very well might have had achange of heart after I am sure others took up for him. But you did say that. I don't think you have enough experience or ability to take care of an emerald tree boa. But it didn't stop you from getting one. Apparently there are enough people out there that don't care as long as they get their money so that people like you and the ones you are trying to screen can still get their mitts on them....So, By brokering the animals you think you are saving, all you are really doing is directing the pain and agony over to other animals elsewhere and alienating friends and acquantances. and then turn around and do yourself the very thing that you say you are trying to help stop.
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