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Countryboy · #21 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 07:17 PM

I filled out one of Boa babes application and one for lori and I don't think they were rediculus at all, these reptiles although rehabbed have certain needs and the rehabber needs to know if you have the means and abbility to proprly care for the animal. They may be insulting to you but it is something that the rehabber need to know to make sure you have the ability and experience to keep the animal and to provide it a good home. I'm not saying anyoneon this stie doesn't have the ablility i'm just stating the pourpose of the application questions. The site is looking good Boa Babe

JuliusSqueezer · #22 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 08:17 PM

Ok....some things need to be brought to light. It is one thing to be one of the site sweethearts...but short shorts and red heair does not qualify someone to call themselves a "rescuer". Rachel has ZERO experience in any form of reptile rehab whatsoever. No reptile that has ever been in her care has received any type of rehab. She has ONE year experience keeping reptiles yet turns down an application from someone with several years experience from receiving a burm. The person in question is far more experienced than she is...Where is the green burm she took in several months ago? Still in a small plastic tote? Why was a dehydrated watersnake with mouthrot put to sleep? because it wasn't a 300 dollar snake and didn't deserve rehab? Why was a 12 foot burm with scalerot being soaked for hours every day and released with an RI that had never been treated by her during the 2 weeks in her care? Why would she be keeping burms, Iguanas ...an etb etc with just one year experience when she feels so strongly that years of experience is so important. I do agree by the way that these animals should only be kept by experienced keepers. Practice what you Preach Rachel and STOP jumping in over your head. I am not in any way dissing an application process although I prefer just trusting my own judgment and discussing certain care and keeping practices. Rachel will not adopt out a burm to anyone without vast burm experience...yet when she got her green burm a few months ago...she posted pics asking for identification because she had no idea it was even a burm. WHY IS NOONE SCREENING RACHEL? Why did the SPCA REALLY ban Rachel and Cathy from picking up reptiles there? I don't beleive they would demand forms to be filled out that they didn't provide. Something fishy there but pride is far more important than truth...or so I was told by Rachel.

Why does it matter to anyone if an adopted snake is used in a breeding program? It takes pressure off the wild populations and just because the animal was in a bad spot at one time with one owner doesn't mean that someone here can't find suitable homes for babies....It seems that Rachels application is trying to screen out breeders from adopting....yet...She is pretty deep into some breeding projects of her own ....all from her adoptions that she has taken in.. So why is it not OK for others to do the same?

NOTE TO PEOPLE LOOKING TO ADOPT OUT:

Before surrendering an animal to a so called Rescuer...Screen the rescuer. Find out what experience they have...what meds they have available...what success they have had treating or even identifying certain illnesses.

Rachel,
Being a hardass on an application process does not make up for your own inadequacies...Please slow down...Try and master what you already have and don't be too proud to adopt out what you are in over your head with. No animal's life is worth losing over your ego trip. Let people like Lori, Eddie and others that can actually help sick or injured reptiles do their work without you sitting at home demanding all reptiles be brought to your door. Rescuer and Broker are not synonyms. Are we in a contest to see how many reptiles we can cram in our tiny little houses? Properly house and care for what you have...get everyone feeding and healthy before packing more in...what you are doing is by no means a civil service...it is self fullfilling glutony and for all the wrong reasons.
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Boaguy · #23 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 08:47 PM

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RevMojo · #24 (**permalink**) 03-23-2002, 11:59 PM

The site looks pretty good, but I've got one question: On the homepage it says y'all are "an alliance of rescuers who ban together" What is it you are seeking to ban? Don't mean to ride your dog, but shouldn't that be "band" as in join rather than "ban" as in forbid? I did look over the application...it didn't seem too terribly intrusive, but I felt that the (Be Honest) after a question was a little...um...I can see how someone who was planning to tell the truth anyway could be a little offended by that. But I suppose if it changes just one person's mind about lying...

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Constrictor_BO · #25 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 01:11 AM

Ok.. I see where a screening of some sort is needed, I am not condoning that. I do not want to see someone starting out get a Burm or anything that gets that large without having experience. On the other hand, I dont see where someone running an adoption place has the right to tell me I am unqualified to adopt certain a certain snake when I have done research on them and have talked to and dealt with someone elses big snake. It is not weather you have had one or not, It is all in how much you are prepared for it. I didnt have any experience with keeping snakes when I got my first one. I had always caught wild ones and let them loose. I did my research, I knew what I was in for, why shouldnt I be able to get it????

And the other thing, If I adopt a snake, that snake is mine. How can you think you should be able to tell me what I can do with it. If I want to breed an adopted snake then thats my right. I know that Boababe has bred snakes that she has gotten in from rescue. Is she any different than I or does she get special privaleges than the rest of us because she does rescue.
The part with "BE HONEST"... If I gave up an animal for reasons other than neglect, Should that stop me from being able to adopt a snake now? I have never gave a snake up like that and hope that I never have to but do you think I would answer that honestly if I felt it would keep me from being able to obtain that snake....
If someone is really wanting to adopt a snake, they wont have any problem talking to you in person and I feel like you can learn more about that person by talking to them rather than reading a application. And not only will you learn about them, you might educate someone who thinks they know but really dont. They might turn out to be someone you can count on later on

I think highly of what BoaBabe is trying to do. I myself am into doing the same, I just think she has high hopes and overlooks the obvious. I have seen on other sites where she seems to be racing others to get the animals in question. There are people out there that are more than able to handle thier own dealings and that person giving up the animal wants nothing but the best for it. If they wanted for BoaBabe or any other adoption agency to have it they would have called them personally and not posted it. Is that really considering "rescuing" that reptile? NO....Why then does she call it rescue and adoption, It is only an adoption. That in my opinion is giving a animal up. Where is it a rescue?
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BoaBabe · #26 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 10:49 AM

This is going to be short as I just came to view this and I have to get some sleep for work tomorrow. But I will reply to every single thing mentioned about me here eventually.
OMG!!! I had no idea that this post would spark such a debate, not to mention attack on me!!! First thing, and one of the things that hurt the most was the reference to "red hair and short shorts" Excuse me for showing off my body. I used to be FAT! I am VERY proud of my body and all the hard work it took to get it. There is NO SHAME in being proud of my body. Because I used to be overweight, I had, have, and always will have, a low self esteem. To get a second glace from someone, does wonders for the self esteem. Would it make everyone happy if I dressed in a nun's outfit? If this is what posting my pics does, then fine...I will never post another pic of myself again.
Yes, I have only just over a year's experience with reptiles. Does the amount of time lessen the quality of my posts? Has anyone thought anything I have typed been sp wrong that it needed a slap in the face? I'm sorry if once I found this site I sucked every bit of imformation I could out of it. When Jules actually thought something of me, he taught me more than I could have learned out of any book. Is it a crime to pass that on? Sorry if I am not an encyclopedia of reptiles, but considering the time I have been doing this, I think I have done pretty well.
I HAVE learned rehab to a degree. While I am not a vet, I have treated RI's, non-feeding and regurging snakes. I know how to inject medications, and treat for some internal parasites with panacur. Those I don't know how to rehab see a vet. Just because someone here didn't teach me these things, that doesn't mean there is no where to learn it. The web is a big broad place with a wealth of info if you take the time to search it. I also have read books and have a friend who is a vet tech. Just because I say I do rehab, that doesn't mean I call myself a rehabber. That's like saying someone who takes a photo is a photographer. I am limited, and I do get help when it's needed. Anymore I don't get it from here because of attacks like this one. I look elsewhere.
As far as learning when I'm in over my head...I have given up a few repties I would have liked to keep in my collection. In particular, the green burm. After doing all that I could to help him recover, I decided to adopt him to someone who could do more (with the adopter knowing the possibility of him having BD)
Before things are posted as facts about me, maybe people should be sure they really are the facts. That (dehydrated watersnake with mouthrot) cost more at the vet than any of the others. And that WASN'T what was wrong with him. He was completely overridden with internal parasites the vet couldn't identify, was not dehydrated, but emaciated. And he had sores all over his body. The vet believed the sores were a result of the parasites eating him away. She said we could try treating him, but first he would have to be hospitalized and put on an IV, then treated for the parasites and even then, the amount of parasites he had, once treated, could cause a blockage and kill him then. When I asked about if it would be more than $500, she said at the very least. Sorry, but I'm not made of money. Anyone want a refernce on that can call "Animal & Bird Health Care Center & Hospital 856-751-2122)
Yes, the word "ban" should be "band"...sorry I am also not a grammar queen.
Breeders are not excluded as adopters, see the current snake for adoption, enough said.
Sorry about the "Be Honest" part in the app, I didn't realize it offended honest people. I just figured it may make a dishonest person think twice about lying. I will remove that part. Thank you for the input.
I am tired now, so more will come later. But before I go, there is one more thing I need to say

THANK YOU EDDIE Seriously, I thank you very much.
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BoaBabe · #27 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 10:55 AM

BTW, just noticed this...who have I turned down for a burm that had years of experience with them? Who have I turned down because they wanted to breed?

And this is off subject of how this thread has turned, but my original reason for looking up this thread was to ask Boaguy12...did you write most of those careseets yourself? You have tons of caresheets! And they are great!!! Certain little things in some of them I don't completly agree with, but they are so minor is doesn't matter. I have never seen so many caresheets on one website! Great job!!
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BoaBabe · #28 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 02:45 PM

I slept well, ty. So much for my post at almost 4 in the morning being short. But with all that I feel I have to speak on, it was short by comparison of what I really wanted to say. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that someone can actually do this for a good reason? I'm being torn because in one aspect I want to clarify everything, but in the other, I feel like if all I am going to get is ridiculed, and to constantly be prooving my intentions, then maybe it just isn't worth it. TALK ABOUT FIGHTING A LOOSING BATTLE. This is why I like reptiles so much, at least they seem to appriciate what I do. I need breakfast.
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Boaguy · #29 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 04:41 PM

boababe, i wrote the caresheets on the site on all the reptiles
i know the proper care for, the rest are ones i didnt write.

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Ophiophagus-hannah · #30 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 04:52 PM

I don't care how many years of experience a Herper has. He could have 6 months to 50 years, it all winds down to the quality of the learning this person has achieved. A person can have snakes for many years and still not be too familiar with the husbandry of them. Cages are filthy, water bowls never changed, temps all wrong etc,etc...Is this person better than the person who day and night every chance they get, tries to absorb all the info they can on the care of their Herps? I have a friend who had snakes for close to 6 years now. Truthfully, I believe I know more than him about his snakes. He just keeps them to show off to girls. The main reason I know more than him is this wonderful WWW that is available to us. There is tons of info to be learned and we all never stop learning. He doesn't utilize a computer, I keep telling him to get one, but he doesn't believe in them! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] I really don't know what everyone is capable of here on this site. All I know is one never retires from learning. Main reason this site is like a magnet! You can learn many different things from different points of view! Long Live RedTailBoa.net!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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eddie · #31 (**permalink**) 03-24-2002, 05:24 PM

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> That (dehydrated watersnake with mouthrot) cost more at the vet than any of the others. And that WASN'T what was wrong with him. He was completely overridden with internal parasites the vet couldn't identify, was not dehydrated, but emaciated. And he had sores all over his body. The vet believed the sores were a result of the parasites eating him away </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like the mystery thing I saw a few months ago in a pair of watersnakes.

They had someting similar to blister disease, but worse. They had very large, fluid filled bubbles all over their boddies. ( Looked like 2nd degree burn blisters on a human)
When the skin could hold no more fluid, or if handled, the blisters would burst and give an appearance of multiple retained sheds unless you cut the loose skin away, which led to an injury risk to the snake if you were to rip or cut good skin.

They were at tha Charlotte Nature Museum, in the care of their curator, who had no idea what it was along with the best vet in town and others out of Research Park in Raleigh, all clueless as to what it is/was - parasite, bacterial, virul or other.
All they knew was there had been only degeneration in the snakes, it was on the increase in the wild population, had no cure since they couldn't identify anything and there was an educated guess by all the vets that it would be an eventual painful death for the snakes with infections.

The pair was being housed in shoe box type boxes with paper towels, quarentined with out water due to their constant soaking, which was adding to the problem. Don't worry, they were getting pedialyte several times a day.

The pair, it seemed, were in a perpetual state of shedding, due to so many blisters in succession and in concurrance. The amount of fluids lost in the blistery areas was at times, more than one could think the snakes would have in their bodies, which gave them a dehydrated, yet, wet and bubbly appearance. The fluids input ( tube/pedialyte) was at times barely keeping up with what they were loosing through their skin.

But in any event, in rescue there are losses, every one knows this.
Some of the losses could be prevented while others, we can't explain WTF happened.

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