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HSUS Kills wanted reptiles

Of over 200 reptiles seized 33 are place the rest appear to have been euthanized!

This to a large extent could have been avoided. Myself as well as Ray Goushaw of Herpetological Breeding Research have made numerous phone calls to the HSUS in Vero Beach regarding these animals including offers of taking them in ourselves and placing them for free to qualified reptile keepers and providing them with proper medical care. The Saint Lucie Regional Herpetological Society was also involved as the members had already stated they would take in any of these animals as well.

The Humane Society has seen fit to instead euthanize these animals as is obvious by their comments.
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"They belong in their natural habitat. Having them in captivity for entertainment, we're really opposed to that,"
I was in this shop several times prior to its demise. The animals were not native species for the most part. They were exotics from Chameleons to Ball Pythons and tegus etc, so release was NOT an option.

The Humane Society appears to have ignored the phone calls that both myself and Ray made and our offers to take these animals in and give them proper medical care and placement. Instead they appear to have destroyed many of these animals. 200 plus reptiles and only 33 appear to have survived!

Below are some article clips. The first two are briefs as I can not find the entire articles.
More information to follow

January 1st, 2005
More than 200 store reptiles seized
VERO BEACH -- More than 100 snakes in need of water were recovered from an Old Dixie Highway pet store Thursday during a state investigation into complaints about the shop. The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission received a phone call about a strong stench coming from Vicki and Fred's Reptiles in the 600 block of Old Dixie Highway. They found at least a dozen dead snakes, lizards and scorpions in cages as well as rats roaming freely throughout the store, said Fish and Wildlife

Published on January 29, 2005, Vero Beach Press Journal (FL)
PETA wants shop owners prosecuted
INDIAN RIVER COUNTY -- A national animal rights group is urging State Attorney Bruce Colton to prosecute the owner of a pet store where more than a dozen dead snakes, lizards and scorpions were found last month. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, sent Colton a letter regarding the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's investigation into conditions at Vicki and Fred's Reptiles in the 600 block of Old Dixie Highway. Officers with the agency found the dead

April 20, 2005
VERO BEACH — A local pet store owner entered a not guilty plea this week to charges of animal cruelty, exhibition and sale of wildlife without a permit and improper caging of animals.
Victoria Genaldi, 29, of the 600 block of Fifth Street Southwest, was charged last month following a Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's investigation into conditions at Vicki and Fred's Reptiles.
In December, after receiving complaints from neighboring businesses in the 600 block of Old Dixie, investigators searched the store and found more than 100 snakes in need of water. They also found a dozen dead snakes, lizards and scorpions in cages, as well as freely roaming rats.
Genaldi signed the animals over to Fish and Wildlife, which signed them over to the Humane Society of Vero Beach and Indian River County, said Humane Society field investigator Ilke Daniel.
The Humane Society ended up with 113 snakes, 77 lizards and geckos, two turtles, two frogs, several tarantulas and chameleons and one scorpion.
Each animal received veterinary attention. Some were euthanized, and others died over the following months from disease, Daniel said.
The Humane Society placed about 30 animals with nonprofit, state-registered educational facilities. The local agency does not support adopting the reptiles into homes as pets, said Executive Director Joan Carlson.
"They belong in their natural habitat. Having them in captivity for entertainment, we're really opposed to that," she said.
Genaldi was charged last month with the first-degree misdemeanor charge of animal cruelty, based on allegations she unnecessarily deprived animals of food and water, said Assistant State Attorney Ryan Butler.
The charge carries a possible penalty of one year in jail and/or a $5,000 fine, according to state statutes.
A second-degree misdemeanor charge of exhibition and sale of wildlife without a permit carries a possible penalty of 60 days in jail, a $500 fine or both, according to state statutes.
The third count, improper caging of reptiles, alleges Genaldi violated a Fish and Wildlife administrative rule.

The below is taken from the HSUS MAIN WEBSITE.

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/


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The HSUS is dedicated to creating a world where our relationship with animals is guided by compassion. We seek a truly humane society in which animals are respected for their intrinsic value, and where the human-animal bond is strong.


The below is from the HSUS CEO

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/history...f_beliefs.html


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At no time in human history have the abuses of animals been so acute and grand, but never have our opportunities been greater. Opposition to animal cruelty is a universal value, yet the abuse of animals has become embedded in major institutions that drive our economy. The individuals who operate the institutions that cause harm to animals go to great lengths to disguise their actions as tradition or custom, recreation or habit, or economic freedom or opportunity. It is our task to help people unmask these rationalizations and to demand change.



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As I formally assume the office of CEO of The HSUS, I want to underscore my confidence that our talented and dedicated staff, working together, can secure impressive and lasting results in the relief and elimination of animal suffering. But to secure these results we must work closely with one another, support one another, help one another, and seek to bring out the best in one another. Let us all resolve to do this in the months and years ahead.


From the Vero Beach Humane Societies own website

http://www.verobeach.com/HumaneSociety/


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WHO WE ARE: Since 1953 we have been providing refuge and help to the animals of Indian River County. The Society, a non-profit organization which operates the county’s only animal shelter, aids over 6,000 animals annually. No animal – young, old, domestic or wild, homeless, lost, ill or injured – is ever turned away.

Vero Beach HSUS e-mails contacts

bdingle@hsvb.org

cellis@hsvb.org

allforpaws@aol.com

Indian River County Commisioners

Wesley S. Davis
Telephone: (772) 567-8000, extension 1490
1840 25th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960-3365
E-mail: wdavis@ircgov.com

Arthur R. Neuberger - Vice Chairman
Telephone: (772) 567-8000, extension 1490
1840 25th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960-3365
E-mail: neuberger@ircgov.com

Gary C. Wheeler
Telephone: (772) 567-8000, extension 1490
1840 25th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960-3365
E-mail: gwheeler@ircgov.com

Thomas S. Lowther, Chairman
Telephone: (772) 567-8000, extension 1490
1840 25th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960-3365
E-mail: tlowther@ircgov.com

Sandra L. Bowden
Telephone: (772) 567-8000, extension 1490
1840 25th Street
Vero Beach, Florida 32960-3365
E-mail: sbowden@ircgov.com

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I have heard a lot of this going on down your way.. i was a little shocked to hear that HSUS had gone out of their way to euthanize all of these snakes..Places like these depend on money to stay open, and to just go and waste money on the chemicals used in euthanasia was a big waste.. I would have loved to have taken a couple snakes myself even some of the geckos. The humane society should have no place in the herp world as they should not decide that a snakes fate should be death.. There are tons of people who could care for these animals in brevard county alone, and i KNOW for a fact that brad and I would have more eager to help.

People need to understand that we dont keep snakes solely for entertainment.. My main reason is for education and to help people understand that snakes and lizards have wonderful creatures, we see them as our companions. Dogs and cats arent the only animals in the world that people can keep as companions either.
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since i have read that yesterday i have had a sick feeling in my stomack. i keep picturing what they went through over and over in my mind. these people need to pay dearly.
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you know its pretty bad that it takes them forever to euthanize a dog or cat but just a min. to do it to a snake or lizard. figures they'd at least attempt to save them. I guess its like my grampa says people hate what they dont understand.
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i am outraged, with so many rescues and people willing to take them on even if they do need medical care.
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since i have read that yesterday i have had a sick feeling in my stomack. i keep picturing what they went through over and over in my mind. these people need to pay dearly.
Sad thing is that most of the ASPCA's and Humane Societies do not understand their own statements.. and a lot of them do depend on donations to stay open...This particular one in Vero is obviously not a no kill facility.. and if people in the near by communities know that HSUS will kill a snake just because someone thinks it's dangerous is gonna pose as a huge problem...granted that florida is only state with the most non-native species of snakes living in the wild, there should be no reason not to give these animals to places that will care for them and find them appropriate homes. There are more than enough willing people in our community who would take these animals in their care, and these supposive humane societies are just completely blind to that fact and dont want to deal with supposive burden.. whatever..

I had contacted our local brevard co ASPCA and forutnately they are a no kill facility.. =)
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Florida Fish and Game Conservation Commission e-mail contact numbers

Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission
Mail the Commissioners.
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"They belong in their natural habitat. Having them in captivity for entertainment, we're really opposed to that," she said.



I just wanted to add that and this info. Many of the members of the Saint Lucie Regional Herpetological Society ARE LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE and Several of them DO in fact do Educational work in the community.
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The Humane Society placed about 30 animals with nonprofit, state-registered educational facilities. The local agency does not support adopting the reptiles into homes as pets, said Executive Director Joan Carlson.
"They belong in their natural habitat. Having them in captivity for entertainment, we're really opposed to that," she said.
The thing is, what is her DEFINITION of entertainment? Joan Carlson isn't the brightest crayon in the box, and PETA would have a field day with her. I vote to put her in her natural habitat... a 3x3ft plexiglass box with a rattlesnake.
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Daboia Russelli would be more my taste in the box.

I honestly have not been this mad in years. these were harmless reptiles for the most part. and her comment on entertainment just pisses me off even more!

What the #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& do you keep any pet for. companionship, entertainment, friendship, numerous reasons. what makes a reptile any diffrent in reasons to keep them.
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Just had to add this

The 2003/2004 National Pet Owners Survey done by the APPMA found that pet ownership remains on the rise in the US. According to the APPMA numbers, there are now more pets than people in the US (377.8 millions pets; 290 million people). While dogs, cats, and fish remain the most popular, birds, reptiles and other small pets are clearly becoming very popular too. Here is the breakdown of the US pet population:

Cats - 77.7 million
Dogs - 65 million
Birds - 17.3 million
Reptiles - 9 million
Small animals - 16.8 million
Saltwater Fish - 7 million
Freshwater Fish - 185 million
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oi! a russells viper now that's rough...I was thinking about a puff adder or something cute like a gaboon viper...15 baby gaboon vipers with their big doughy eyes...awwwwwwwww!!!

how bout we wait til hunter gets his malaysia shipment and pick one from there... =)
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