effect of Python ban on the rest of the world

[BoB1114]

I think its very selfish to not consider the rest of the world in this ban. Breeding boas is relatively new and exciting over here in britain and the rest of europe. If the ban passes what happens to all the snakes? They come over here for next to nothing, bankrupting the handful of boa breeders we have and killing off a chance for any potential breeders, like myself. I dont think its fair to punish us because some stupid people released burmese pythons in florida, that is not a reason to ruin the entire WORLDS boa ecconomy. What the heck has a boa ever done? I'm sorry to say this but i dont think such ignorance would ever happen in britain. You lot sure know how to pick them, first Bush then this Nelson guy. God i hate that Nelson, send him over here and we'll show you what you do with people like that. You lot have pit bulls, dogo argentino, diamond backs, spiders, sharks, everything dangerous you can imagine and your banning boas and pythons!!!!!!!!! I'm so angry i could spit!!! Please all do everything you can, i know we all are over here. Good luck.

[morti]

Hi.

Your post seems a little combative. It is almost as though you are blaming us, the responsible snake owners for this whole mess.

I assure you that we are doing everything possible to stop this bill.

[Hairless]

Originally Posted by BoB1114

... I'm sorry to say this but i dont think such ignorance would ever happen in britain.

I find it amazing that given the restrictions on 'dangerous' things currently in Britain that forks haven't been replaced with sporks...by law.

[BoB1114]

I sympathise with you fellow responsible snake keepers, no offence was meant to you personally, but Gosh darn that Nelson guy.

[LdyDrgn]

Not only Nelson, but the HSUS as well.

[TammyJamaica]

There should be a "Stupid" competition worldwide regarding these sudden impulsive "bans" and "Bills" etc. put out by ignorance and greed.

Here in Jamaica I think we have a pretty good chance of winning.

Some BigWig Drug Baron had a shipment of illegal monkeys (poor little things) brought in by either fishermen from Columbia or Drug dealers or a mix of both, for the personal and private pleasure of himself and his Important Friends in High Places. All this is well known for months/years by the Departments of Fisheries &Agriculture here, and the National Environment & Planning Agency (God bless their grasping, pompous souls). These agencies have turned a blind eye while holding out their hands for their share of Silence money.

Suddenly in the weekend papers, an article appears by these same agencies that a child has been bitten by an "illegally imported exotic monkey" and is very ill and had to be flown to the US for treatment. He has contracted some deadly disease from the monkey bite. So, the article goes on to say that ALL keepers/owners of ALL exotic pets including snakes are in breach of the law and have a deadline of February 15 to "have their animals safely removed from their premises". OMDB they try anything with my pets I have had for years and all bought from the Pet Shop. No distinction is made, of course.

This is how we operate in dear little old Jamdown. No problem.

[mpgt]

I'm worried it will result in an increased demand for wild caught snakes to satisfy markets outside the U.S. if our captive breeding and exports stop.

[AGActaeonia]

I agree that it's unfortunate that the British Isles - as well as the rest of the world - would suffer - to a much lesser degree than Americans, IMO - if this legislation passes.

I can't help but chuckle when pondering the worth of an empty box to others' ports, what with zero exportation of the listed species being key in this legislation.

Europeans don't get any American-bred constrictors, American-breeders cannot sell the ones they produce - or to a much lesser degree. Those in-state buyers will be facing grossly inflated prices.

Sounds to me everyone loses - most importantly the snakes that are chained to our own shores.

It's much easier for those others to point fingers, those without the axe hanging over the heads of their livelihoods.

[HERPHAPPY]

Originally Posted by TammyJamaica

There should be a "Stupid" competition worldwide regarding these sudden impulsive "bans" and "Bills" etc. put out by ignorance and greed.
...............OMDB they try anything with my pets I have had for years and all bought from the Pet Shop. No distinction is made, of course.
This is how we operate in dear little old Jamdown. No problem.

You are in our thoughts for sure!.....for all the insane/greedy/ignorant-in charge, !!!!

[CraigC]

Originally Posted by BoB1114

I think its very selfish to not consider the rest of the world in this ban. Breeding boas is relatively new and exciting over here in britain and the rest of europe. If the ban passes what happens to all the snakes? They come over here for next to nothing, bankrupting the handful of boa breeders we have and killing off a chance for any potential breeders, like myself. I dont think its fair to punish us because some stupid people released burmese pythons in florida, that is not a reason to ruin the entire WORLDS boa ecconomy. What the heck has a boa ever done? I'm sorry to say this but i dont think such ignorance would ever happen in britain. You lot sure know how to pick them, first Bush then this Nelson guy. God i hate that Nelson, send him over here and we'll show you what you do with people like that. You lot have pit bulls, dogo argentino, diamond backs, spiders, sharks, everything dangerous you can imagine and your banning boas and pythons!!!!!!!!! I'm so angry i could spit!!! Please all do everything you can, i know we all are over here. Good luck.

Go spit where ever bud! Only an idiot would believe the media hype about "people letting their burms loose". Use your head! What event happened in '92 that destroyed/damaged importer facilities in Miami? If they would make the effort to test the genetics of those burms, they would find them related. Easier to blame pet owners than a natural disaster. Better ratings!

Craig

[TammyJamaica]

Originally Posted by CraigC

Go spit where ever bud! Only an idiot would believe the media hype about "people letting their burms loose". Use your head! What event happened in '92 that destroyed/damaged importer facilities in Miami? If they would make the effort to test the genetics of those burms, they would find them related. Easier to blame pet owners than a natural disaster. Better ratings!
Craig

Politicians and the media prey on peoples ignorance, but that does not mean that the people are idiots because they believe it. People are really hardly ever responsible for the things they believe. However, Those in positions of power over others are certainly responsible for their dishonesty and trying to manipulate people into a position which will only be of benefit to the pushers of whatever idea they are promoting.

Hurricane Andrew or careless owners, or whatever combination is responsible for the problem, you guys can only fight it, and defeat it, together.

[USARK.Jonathan.Brady]

Originally Posted by CraigC

Go spit where ever bud! Only an idiot would believe the media hype about "people letting their burms loose". Use your head! What event happened in '92 that destroyed/damaged importer facilities in Miami? If they would make the effort to test the genetics of those burms, they would find them related. Easier to blame pet owners than a natural disaster. Better ratings!
Craig

Interesting that you mention that. Genetic testing HAS been performed, and as you postulated, all of the burms were found to have little variability in their genetics. Interestingly, none of them were related to a sample taken from a burmese python in Vietnam. This is relevant because Vietnam has been the source for imported Burmese pythons for the last 16 years (1994). Hurricane Andrew hit 2 years prior to this. ...coincidence...??
You can read the report here: http://www.usark.org/uploads/FloridaBurmGenetics.pdf
If you REALLY want to get your blood boiling, look who the third listed author is, and who he works for....

Originally Posted by mpgt

I'm worried it will result in an increased demand for wild caught snakes to satisfy markets outside the U.S. if our captive breeding and exports stop.

Just to clarify, there is NO language in Section 42(a)(1) of Title 18 of the US Code which states it is illegal to export any animal deemed "injurious wildlife". However, the practical implications make it basically impossible.
To actually get an animal listed in Title 18 out of the US, you would need to gain approval from USFWS and ship it out of a port with a direct flight to another country - no stops in other states in the US. States like Florida, California, NY, and others that have direct flights out of the country would be suitable places to try and export. But as I mentioned, the USFWS has to approve it first. Getting that to happen will be practically impossible though.
So, Title 18 doesn't outright make it illegal to export these animals, but it makes it practically impossible.
jb