COOKS TREE

Ann · #1 (**permalink**) 05-29-2002, 08:09 AM

HIYA Me again!!! can someone tell me about cooks tree boas? I heard they are not as agressive as the amazons.... I love the tree boas and pythons but I want a handable snake non agressive. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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JuliusSqueezer · #2 (**permalink**) 05-29-2002, 08:23 AM

Know your breeder/source. Many amazons are sold as cooks tree boas....and it's hard to prove if even possible. The scale counts overlap and there is alot of controversy over whether they are even seperate species.....I can also assure you that there is no difference in temperment....You are just as likely to find a tame amazon. Please read up alot on these animals and KNOW the species needs and try getting with someone that keeps them and do some handling before acquiring. They are a special needs snake and can be as frustrating as they can be rewarding to keep.
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davesting2001 · #3 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ann

HIYA Me again!!! can someone tell me about cooks tree boas? I heard they are not as agressive as the amazons.... I love the tree boas and pythons but I want a handable snake non agressive. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
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I only bought my cooks tree boa for display and for my own personal collection. A cooks tree boa is very much like all tree snakes and its in their nocturnal nature to be aggressive. They don't see well in the light, I have already noticed at night my boa is much more comfortable with me moving around its cage. If your snake is as aggressive as mine is in the day don't handle it, get it used to your heat threw the glass and it will calm down. You don't want to be bitten by the cooks tree boa it has a very hard time releasing its jaws. You could kill it by trying to get it to release its grip.

JuliusSqueezer · #4 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 05:22 AM

This is a really old post and you don't have a cooks tree boa. They are illegal to export from St Vincent Island where they are native and noone is selling them. Amazons are passed off as cooks all the time to try and sidestep the reputation. Besides a supposed scale count difference though that overlaps anyway making them somewhere between difficult and impossible to prove the difference ...they are the same snake but your cooks is an amazon.

davesting2001 · #5 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 05:39 AM

I have done all my research on care for my reptiles.....My reptiles are happier than most in captivity. Besides there are many different variations of the same snake in question. The very same snake comes in many names, sizes, and colors. I have raised and studied reptiles for the last 34 years, point being I don't need a lecture on a mistake I made by assuming that my reply to a help message would of been torn down and disected just because I dint think I would have to be that specific.

X-Factor · #6 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 05:44 AM

oh jeez...this wont end well.

CraigC · #7 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by davesting2001

I have done all my research on care for my reptiles.....My reptiles are happier than most in captivity. Besides there are many different variations of the same snake in question. The very same snake comes in many names, sizes, and colors. I have raised and studied reptiles for the last 34 years, point being I don't need a lecture on a mistake I made by assuming that my reply to a help message would of been torn down and disected just because I dint think I would have to be that specific.

Depends on how you define variation. Considering that common names are not the best method for discussing corallus of varying species. When you look at proper names, corallus hortulanus, corallus ruschenbergerii, corallus cookii and corallus grenadensis there lies the difference in animals that are refered to as Cooks. Only cookii is a Cooks. Since the main populus is from St. Vincent and closed to export, very few true Cooks are in captive collections.

Craig

JuliusSqueezer · #8 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 03:22 PM

I wasn't picking apart your care, just your misidentification and the fact that you are answering a thread that's FIVE years old...though now that you mention it, how exactly is a snake going to get used to your heat through the glass? They can't sense your heat through the glass. The glass has a reflective surface temp of it's own. That doesn't make any sense at all. Are you teasing your snake into biting the glass and knocking himself silly? How do you figure a nocturnal hunter to be less aggressive at night? I have kept these snakes for many years and have always found the exact opposite to be true. I have also found that while they do have long sharp teeth, their strikes seldom pack much punch and I've never had one have any difficulty in "releasing it's jaws". And we are talking about a species that I've taken literally thousands of hits from over the years. If you have killed one that happened to snag a tooth by prying it off, That's all on you dude...something YOU did bad wrong.

X-Factor · #9 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:14 AM

Julius, I've got a question: how is it then, if my BP can't sense my heat through the glass that she reacts when I am close to the cage? I know their eyesight isnt that good so whats the answer to that?

disclaimer: I do NOT tease her...lol.

davesting2001 · #10 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 05:05 AM

Of coarse anyone who knows reptiles as much as you do knows that a boa cant see through glass with their eyes but a common fact that they do have pits that sense heat and temperature. I have never had a snake die on me, and I have never killed a snake that would just be something your taking way out of text. I did screw up and didnt check the date of the first post, that is my fault and I apologise to everyone. But i do not think I deserve to be ridiculed over it. Also I never once claimed to have a true crooks tree boa, I didn't disagree with that at all....I have no argument with that, all I was trying to say was that cooks is the common name for the whole variation of that family of snake. So EXCUSE ME IF i DONT WANT TO BE ALL SCIENTIFIC ABOUT THE FREAKIN NAME!!!!!! I never wanted to end up in a debate I thought I was just helping some one out,

X-Factor · #11 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 08:05 AM

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Of coarse anyone who knows reptiles as much as you do knows that a boa cant see through glass with their eyes but a common fact that they do have pits that sense heat and temperature. I have never had a snake die on me, and I have never killed a snake that would just be something your taking way out of text. I did screw up and didnt check the date of the first post, that is my fault and I apologise to everyone. But i do not think I deserve to be ridiculed over it. Also I never once claimed to have a true crooks tree boa, I didn't disagree with that at all....I have no argument with that, all I was trying to say was that cooks is the common name for the whole variation of that family of snake. So EXCUSE ME IF i DONT WANT TO BE ALL SCIENTIFIC ABOUT THE FREAKIN NAME!!!!!! I never wanted to end up in a debate I thought I was just helping some one out,

Seriously man, calm down...all this isn't necessary. Julius knows what he is talking about, and, while he can get a LITTLE rough around the edges sometimes its just the way he is. I know you are going to point out all the unnecessary things he said, but you DID goad him as well...just let it go!

CraigC · #12 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 02:47 PM

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I have raised and studied reptiles for the last 34 years,..........

I'm not trying to put you down, but how can this be true when your profile says you are only 34 years old?

Craig

JuliusSqueezer · #13 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 03:25 PM

Why do you guys think your snake can't see through glass? If you can see in, there's a pretty good chance that they can see out. If nothing else, at least see shapes. They are not picking up your heat through the glass though unless you are leaning on the glass long enough to change it's surface temp on the inside of the cage but even then, probably not enough to mean anything to them that they haven't already reacted to from sight. If you have a blind snake that can't see out and he is reacting to movement outside the cage, he's probably detecting vibrations in his primitive inner ear. This is thought to only work for them with their chin resting on the floor, ground or otherwised fixed surface.

JuliusSqueezer · #14 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 03:34 PM

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I was trying to say was that cooks is the common name for the whole variation of that family of snake.

And that little bit of ignorance/misrepresention from the pet trade has been a thorn in the side of many for a long time. Sorry but the pet trade doesn't get to change taxonomy or imply a locale that doesn't fit to suit the market. This would be no different than trying to call African rock pythons "Burms" because Afrocks have too bad a reptutation to sell. Changing the name doesn't change the animal and the funny part is, a cook's is going to have the same temperment an amazon would. It's just that fewer people have heard about Cooks so they tend to give them a whirl. This is also disturbing because it seems to be geared towards impulse buys. Surely they aren't trying to pull the wool over on people that actually researched the animal.

liquidaim2001 · #15 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 05:09 AM

formally known as davesting2001...Look ....I was not ever saying that I have a true cooks boa nor was I arguing about the variations I also was not saying it can see (with its eyes) threw glass, I was saying it can sense me moving around near its glass. I am a reptile handler and know a great deal about them, everyone who knows me can say the same, All I was simply trying to do is help someone out and this is the payback I get?!!! I was researching the cooks tree boa's natural habitats when I found that question on my search engine, big deal.....Then you had to jump right in and attack me, people in you forum say you know your stuff , they are probably right but so do I. And yes I have had reptiles since I was born, maybe I should not of said I raised them since then but now I see I have to be very specific in here, sorry I have only raised them since I was 13 or 14 but have had them in my house for my entire life....I guess the point I was making is that I do know how to house reptiles. I dont have to tease my snakes to see that the react to whats on the other side of the glass....I also do not have to kill a snake to know
that trying to peal them off of you could hurt them badly. And yeah maybe you dont have any problem getting them to release, but it sounded like I was responding to a person who knew nothing about them so I was just trying to stop a katastrofy before it happens. And yeah maybe their bite would not bother you but I was responding to a girl's post and I am willing to bet it would bother her. Also man you jump to conclusions way to quickly, I never have hurt or killed a snake(with the exception of a cottonmouth that was in a bad situation) ever. I also dont get off on teasing snake through glass.

JuliusSqueezer · #16 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 05:20 AM

Why did you make a new account? You haven't even broken the new one in good yet

You did pop in saying you had a "cooks tree boa". Initially, that's all I was correcting. You have an amazon tree boa. It's getting quite irritating that these animals are being misrepresented so wide spread. I'm sorry you were sold a misrepresented animal but what am I supposed to do? Just let them be called something they aren't and not correct it when I see it? It also bothers me that people allow themselves to be scammed with the cooks misrepresentation because it leads me to believe that they aren't doing the research on these animals before purchasing them. A quick google search would clue anyone in that...their aren't any cooks tree boas on the open US pet market.

liquidaim2001 · #17 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 05:30 AM

I am starting to see that you were up to good things but I didnt get the snake because it was labeled a cooks. I got it because I seen it and just had to have it......The store I got it at did not take me for any big cash, I paid $25.00 for it because they did not know anything about snakes. I understand that you were just trying to correct my original statement but I didnt believe I had a true cooks boa I just figured that would be the name anyone else would know the snake by, very few people would know specifics on any reptile. I would like to ask if you see were you might of seamed kinda harsh to me in the first reply? I am new here and didnt know what to expect. Just kept feeling like I was getting trapped from all corners

JuliusSqueezer · #18 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 05:53 AM

Harsh? Me? Nooooooooooooooo Never! It's in my profile that I'm not well known for tact lol. I have a reason though for bluntness on these forums. If you beat around the bush, people tend not to get the point. In many cases, it's life or death and points have to be driven through the heart like a wooden stake. So this wasn't one of those threads...granted...but there is another similar thread going on and I had just posted the same thing on it and when I hit refresh...here's another one on a 5 year old thread popping up with the same crap I just finished saying lol...so yeah...I forgot to tiptoe through the tulips a bit ...welcome to RTB. Stick around. Everybody but me is pretty nice.

liquidaim2001 · #19 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 06:08 AM

Cool.....Yeah I can understand why you would be forceful around people who do the impulse buy. It is deadly for the reptile and possibly people. I cant understand that there is a world of ignorance for reptiles out there too. I just wasn't paying attention and answered a 5 year post not knowing about your other thread. Anyways sorry for the misunderstanding and looking forward to this community.

bleeding_sarcasm · #20 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 06:09 AM

"If you beat around the bush, people tend not to get the point. In many cases, it's life or death and points have to be driven through the heart like a wooden stake."

thats a great way to put it. I am probably in the same boat as you, not exactly one to sugar coat things.

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