New Savies

[NeoReptiliac]

I got me some Savannah Monitors in today. 12 in all. Yeah I know what your thinking. What do you need with 12? Well that is the thing I don't need 12. but my eyes bit off more then they could chew. Plan on keeping only one of them but the deal I got for them were too good to pass up. I paid $12 each for them. They were ranch raised. I'm not sure what that means. But it didn't sound good. I wanted just one. But the guy told me. Buy all 12 and I will make you a deal. So I bought all 12 heh. Any ways enough rambling. Here is some pictures! =O

They are in quarantine right now. Lets see how they do. Eating pretty good so far. And drinking.








I know your thinking. "I don't see 12 here." Well thats cause some of them are not looking too well. When they came in they were noticeably a lot thinner and weaker then the others. I'm keeping a close eye on them, they might not make it. Go figure for that price. But the guy said if they die then he will send me more to replace them. Cant argue with that.

[luker3232]

Are you going to sell?
Im not intrested in buying, already have a sub-adult, just curious

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[LlamaxPalooza]

I'm slightly interested, if ya wanna "cut a deal." Hahaha

If you are, keep me posted on their progress or shoot me a PM with an offer

Either way, they're adorable

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[DRZRider]

They were ranch raised. I'm not sure what that means.

That usually means that gravid females were captured and kept until the eggs were laid. The females were hopefully released back into the wild. Since when they were released they were in a delicate condition (just laid eggs) most probably die, if they live long enough to be released.

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	Gravid Gravid term used in biology to describe the condition of a female oviparous when carrying young internally.

[NeoReptiliac]

Originally Posted by DRZRider

That usually means that gravid females were captured and kept until the eggs were laid. The females were hopefully released back into the wild. Since when they were released they were in a delicate condition (just laid eggs) most probably die, if they live long enough to be released.

T.T I don't like the sound of that at all !

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	Gravid Gravid term used in biology to describe the condition of a female oviparous when carrying young internally.

[NeoReptiliac]

Originally Posted by luker3232

Are you going to sell?
Im not intrested in buying, already have a sub-adult, just curious

Yeah most likely going to sell. I'm trying to find out the fair rate right now to sell these little buggers at. I haven't bought one of these since I was 16. Then I paid $58 at the pet store. For about the same size. But I'm sure its gone down since then. Probably by a lot.

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[NeoReptiliac]

Originally Posted by LlamaxPalooza

I'm slightly interested, if ya wanna "cut a deal." Hahaha

If you are, keep me posted on their progress or shoot me a PM with an offer

Either way, they're adorable

Sure will.

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[Razaiel]

Originally Posted by DRZRider

That usually means that gravid females were captured and kept until the eggs were laid. The females were hopefully released back into the wild. Since when they were released they were in a delicate condition (just laid eggs) most probably die, if they live long enough to be released.

Originally Posted by NeoReptiliac

T.T I don't like the sound of that at all !

That is the norm unfortunately They are apparently also often released in the most unsuitable conditions too. That's the sad thing about the whole trade - they are so cheap to just go and grab the gravid females that anyone who CBs just can't compete. It's really sad.

[TammyJamaica]

Something tells me to stay out of this discussion.

Just have to say that it does not sound too good to me. Maybe I am wrong, I hope so. Just my opinion.

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[tmangt7]

Originally Posted by TammyJamaica

Something tells me to stay out of this discussion.
Just have to say that it does not sound too good to me. Maybe I am wrong, I hope so. Just my opinion.

i was going to say the same. as tammy said, i hope we get proved wrong, thats too bad, good luck with them tho! and keep us posted please!

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[NeoReptiliac]

Now knowing this about the whole farm raised thing I don't plan on buying any more reptiles that are labeled as such. Thats a horrible thing to do to any animal. And I do not plan on supporting it. I will keep everyone updated on the ones that were thin and weak. Some seem to be perking up. I don't think some will make it however. I will make sure if I sell any they are in good health before they go to anyone else.

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[John_E_Dove]

Originally Posted by TammyJamaica

Something tells me to stay out of this discussion.
Just have to say that it does not sound too good to me. Maybe I am wrong, I hope so. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by tmangt7

i was going to say the same. as tammy said, i hope we get proved wrong, thats too bad, good luck with them tho! and keep us posted please!

Sadly you both are correct; this (farming) is not a good practice. As previously stated a great many of the mothers die and many of the babies follow suit when they not cared for properly from the start then are sold as cheap imports to people who have no idea how to care for them.
This batch seems to have beaten the odds and ended up with someone who will try to do their best for them and with a little luck they may all survive. I just hope they do not end up being sold as impulse buys to people that will eventually surrender them to a rescue.

[NeoReptiliac]

I definitely don't sell to people that don't know what they are getting into. Ive sold snakes and geckos in the past and always made sure that the person buying knows how to care for them first. Not to mention I'm always just an email away or a phone call away to anyone who does come across a situation they don't understand how to handle. I think that people who sell with out caring are a bad influence and are just out for a quick buck. I admit I was an impulse buyer when I got all these. Heh my eyes out did my stomach so to say, but in this case my eyes out thought my brain. I bet this is a tactic this person I bought from uses a lot. Someone says they want one and the seller offers a lot more for a great price. The buyer thinks, omg yes this IS a great deal I cant pass it up. Much like how stores sell things at buy one get the second half off.

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[qiksilver]

well, too bad for impulse buying, but I respect your honesty, and I can't say I've never done it myself. It's just too bad that farmed animals are so cheap and plentiful for the time being that captive breeding programs just aren't feasible. I hope your animals pull through no matter what your plans are for them, it's never enjoyable having animals die in our care.

good luck with them, chances are you'll need it!

[carpondro17]

Well if you want to resell I suggest getting these guys in the best condition you can ( by good husbandary, and feeding them right ) and then selling to responcible people. People who have the money, space, and time for such a animal. I see you have them in a tub whats your basking spot in their?
I hope these guys are sold to a responcible person keep us updated. Otherwise they look good!

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[mjf]

It sure isn`t up to me, but from a conservation standpoint I wish everyone would boycott buying mass harvested repitles, I realize its putting money on someones table but I think too many die to make ecoological sense, if they all survived the market would quickly bottom out and it wouldn`t be worth harvesting For people who like large lizards, there are getting to be loads of black and white argentines bred in captiivity in the US (I hope none get loose and reproduce since they CAN survive in the areas some people that wanna ban keeping reptiles have mapped as areas that burmese pythons can survive but actually can not....that would really give these people ammuniton) that make even better captives since they are known to be as intelligent as a smart house cat..................Mike

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[NeoReptiliac]

Originally Posted by carpondro17

Well if you want to resell I suggest getting these guys in the best condition you can ( by good husbandary, and feeding them right ) and then selling to responcible people. People who have the money, space, and time for such a animal. I see you have them in a tub whats your basking spot in their?
I hope these guys are sold to a responcible person keep us updated. Otherwise they look good!

The tub was just a temp thing for a couple of days while I made sure the thermostat and heat was working on the cage they was intended to go in. I have them now in an 8ft long x 3ft tall x 3ft wide custom built cage that I've used for past animals that I've kept over the years. A lot of them is looking up, eating well and becoming very active but I'm afraid some of them died already. The man is replacing the ones that arrived sickly. He said that his shipper was new and sent the wrong animals. He gladly agreed to replace whatever due to his shipper's error. Either thats the truth or not I'm glad to see he is taking responsibility for this. He seems very nice and willing to work with me so far. We will see what condition these new ones arrive in. I assure you I'm not the type that just wants to make a quick buck with out the concern of the animals I'm selling in mind. Anyone that buys from me will defiantly be questioned first and each animal will not leave till they are of a quality I would call my own pet and they will leave with a care sheet, my phone number and email address..

[NeoReptiliac]

Originally Posted by mjf

It sure isn`t up to me, but from a conservation standpoint I wish everyone would boycott buying mass harvested repitles, I realize its putting money on someones table but I think too many die to make ecoological sense, if they all survived the market would quickly bottom out and it wouldn`t be worth harvesting For people who like large lizards, there are getting to be loads of black and white argentines bred in captiivity in the US (I hope none get loose and reproduce since they CAN survive in the areas some people that wanna ban keeping reptiles have mapped as areas that burmese pythons can survive but actually can not....that would really give these people ammuniton) that make even better captives since they are known to be as intelligent as a smart house cat..................Mike

I'm new to the ranching thing. Where I come from Ranching means something totally different heh. Ranching is usually a horse farm where I'm from. So this is all new to me as I said. But now that I know what it means in the reptile world its something I will avoid from now on. I have noticed a lot lately that the government is trying to ban importing certain reptiles. In a way I can see why, cause of this very thing most likely. But at the same time it is a problem for those of us who want to buy from honest people outside of the USA. I wish something could be done to put a ban on ranching. But keep other quality factors about importing available. If there was just some way to filter it all.

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[DRZRider]

I wish something could be done to put a ban on ranching.

There are a few places (I can only think of one) that gets wild caught, farmed, ranched, CB animals and takes the time to get them healthy before selling them. No pet shop will take the time and invest the money to try and get savannas healthy before selling them. They buy them in bulk, throw out the dead ones that arrive, and then throw out the ones that die in their shop. The rest can be sold for a profit. I see tubs full of them at reptile shows for $8 to $15 each year. It is so sad.
My opinion is that we need to educate everyone on this practice and let people know that these animals coming into the country mostly sick and most will die. Even with the best care, a lot of them are in such sad shape they will still die. That is why I try to buy captive bred animals. All the animals I have are cative bred except for the dumeril. I do not know if it was bred but one of the few breeders in the country. It is doubtful. Captive bred animals cost more up front, but the saving in getting a healthy animal that can live a long time is well worth it.

[carpondro17]

Originally Posted by NeoReptiliac

I'm new to the ranching thing. Where I come from Ranching means something totally different heh. Ranching is usually a horse farm where I'm from. So this is all new to me as I said. But now that I know what it means in the reptile world its something I will avoid from now on. I have noticed a lot lately that the government is trying to ban importing certain reptiles. In a way I can see why, cause of this very thing most likely. But at the same time it is a problem for those of us who want to buy from honest people outside of the USA. I wish something could be done to put a ban on ranching. But keep other quality factors about importing available. If there was just some way to filter it all.

I see a good way to know whos alive and whos dead is to do a head count every morning and everynight before you fall asleep. What I have seen is their is allways the small and weaker savs when they come in lots and theirs allways one that is more dominate, healthyer and stronger then the rest. I would try to keep them all around the same size and make sure they are all eating and none of them are fighting. I just hate sav season, soo much monitors being imported and soo much die and bearly any survive. Its kinda sad when soo much people buy them and have no idea what they got into. =(

Maybe one day their will be a lot more CBB monitor avalible. C'mon guys lets get thoes monitors breeding LOL

Take care of thoes babys.

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