Merry Christmas to me!

[JuliusSqueezer]

Again with the contradictions...you can say in one breath that there are only a few people there that can take on these animals...yet in the same breath you say you have them homes all planned out...how can this be? As best as I can tell, you maybe have homes for 8-10 babies...what about the other 30 or 40? Dude...freeze the eggs. Yes, I am pro-choice [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] Selling or giving to pet dealers is like sending them to the concentration camps. Wow...that Hitler crap is finally starting to draw some light.
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[LdyDrgn]

If you were truly involved in rescue, you would understand. You would not hesitate to freeze the eggs. Because you would be thinking, "How many are going to end up coming back to me or just being neglected or even killed?" Donation to the petshop, but they are going to turn a profit on her? Lovely place..... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]
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OH MY!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Quite the "debate" seems to have continued here on this thread. Hmmm.. Where to "jump in again here?"...

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>Several including Lori and Julius are involved in reptile rescue . They see so many unwanted herps it truely breaks their hearts .</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

More like &quot;shreds&quot; it to pieces at times even [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] I don't know about Jul's , BUT I don't even post near half of what I &quot;run into&quot; doing rescue on this forum entails. I actually sometimes feel the most sorry for my kids [ human ones lol] in regards to my doing rescue/rehab here. They have seen TONS more than most people would ever see in a lifetime that involves neglect, mistreatment abuse etc and the results of such in an animal. A lot of the time I have no answers to their questions as to WHY? someone would do such a thing to a living creature either. I do know that they will grow up to be better persons as a result of being exposed to this type of thing though AND I doubt that they would EVER contemplate such a thing as breeding burms due to what they have seen taking place in regards to them in rescue also. Well prepared future herpers I guess they shall be too. [ They're actually already there I think possibly.. nm the future part.] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
One could never be able to fully relate to reptile rescue until they have spent a day with the following IMO :
[ Some have multiple problems, as can be noted in the # for each symptom/problem adding up to more than the # of the specie present]

6 BOAS :
1 healthy
4 with RI
2 with MR
1 with displaced rostril
1 with live feeding not as yet healed scars full body
2 with retained sheds
1 with retained eyecaps
1 with thermal burns on 1/3rd of the underbelly
2 with MAJOR mites
2 non feeders
1 with multiple cysts
3 dehydrated
1 DOA

5 HUGE burms :
1 healthy
3 severely underweight
2 with retained shed
1 with MR
1 with MAJOR mites
1 with retained eyecap
3 dehydrated
3 with RI
1 with scale rot
1 non feeder
1 with live feeding scars that are fresh

4 RES :
1 with MBD
1 with eye infection
2 healthy
1 dehydrated [ htf does such an aquatic get like this !?]

2 Ball Python :
2 with ticks
2 underweight
2 with mites
2 with retained shed
1 retained eyecap
2 dehydrated

1 carpet python :
about 5 layers of retained shed
lethargic
severely underweight
appx. 5&quot; open wound to the &quot;meat&quot;
dehydrated



3 Boxies :
3 on deaths bed from placed into hibernating when not hydrated
3 with eye infections

4 IGUANAS :
2 with MBD
1 with retained shed
1 with infection from am IG bite
1 with burn
1 broken tail not severed
1 with broken tail leading into sepsis

emails and calls for at least 5 other herps needing rescue/rehab. Of course 2 of them are HUGE burms ya know !

That was off of one of my daily tracking cards from about a year ago here....UGH.

Try and decide just who gets your attention first of the above..remember that you have ALL of them at the same time in rescue/rehab. When your done picking up the pieces of your &quot;broken&quot; heart you may try and decide [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

As anyone could see, those of us that get fully involved in doing rescue/rehab with reptiles have any reason to even think that yet another HUGE burm is going to wind up in rescue due to someone &quot;wanting&quot; to breed them. We have our hands full allready so to say [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] Just imagine ALL of the reptiles that get passed over and die off cuz a rescuer didn't get to them in time also. Some of those actually get euthanized due to the fact that they are HUGE like as in a burm [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] That would be due to there not being a TON of us whom deal with them in rescue/rehab for a multitude of reasons.. Size being the main one btw.

[i] So suuure , go right ahead and breed us some more burms just to make sure that those of us doing rescue full scale NEVER see an end to this sort of thing...UGH.


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Hmmm.. Donation huh ? More like enforcement for the continuance of burms within the pet trade and also a replenishing supply for the husbandry that keeps em coming into rescue [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

OK.. Off my rant now ....


OH AND Kevin ?? I'm a gonna get ya into rescue at some point this year ya know hehe. We need rescuers in your local [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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[XzyluM]

Well said Lori. I see nothing more than the petstore making a profit and 3/4 if not all of the babies winding up in a rescue.
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[klorentz]

I know Lori . One thing that had kind of held me back is for the longest time we had no herp vet in my area [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] . This was really driving me buggy . The local pet shops get people wanting to turn in large snakes . The one I go to have an awesome albino burm that has been there for at least 6 months . She had a bad nose rub for awhile but is healthy . And they are charging for her but considering the high cost of feeding an adult burm I can not blame them . They have also done their share of rehabing sick/injurd herps . Nothing in the amount that rescues do but I have seen some bad cases come in there from time to time . Most they got through the hard times but there where some that where not so lucky .


Kevin
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Yeah Kevin, Unfortunately that seems to be the case in quite a vast area for people..still even..UGH. Finding a reptile vet, nm a GOOD qualified one, can sometimes be quite the challenge for people. Is there one now where you are then ?

YES&lt; I also have taken in reptiles in rescue/rehab that were &quot;dropped&quot; at local pet suppliers and also reptile shops too around here. My vet also refers people out to me that call/come by there and no longer can keep their reptile [ in some cases the animal is unhealthy also and the vet assists me in their rehab too].
Like Jul's said [ I think it was him even ] Once people find out that you are willing to take in rescue/rehabs like a large burm, you'll get more to follow as word gets around [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
I can FULLY relate to the cost affect of feeding burms also btw hehe [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] We currently have 7 burms here atm.. 5 are mine and 2 are rescue/rehabs. TG We are breeding our own supply of rabbits now, that helps BIG TIME for this lol.
Some of the reptile places I deal with around here will keep a rescue/rehab and ask for input on it's rehabbing etc of me, but if it's at a certain level and/or needs a MAJOR amount of care, they &quot;pass&quot; it my way is all then at that point. I understand that they are in biz and part of that is profit ya know. Long as they provide proper husbandry etc for the reptiles etc, I really have no problem with the profit part of their biz at all. Importing.. now that's a whole other thing [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] AND I ain't getting into that on this thread either atm...LOL

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Ok... For future refernce.. Please do NOT start a whole new thread on the same thing on the RTB forums like this ONE HERE FOR THIS SNAKE IN THIS THREAD.
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