Merry Christmas to me!

[Flood]

Well, I like burms, a lot. So, if I were to actually breed them, they would go to only those who COULD take care of them(and I know who these people are already, so watch the comments). Next, I went to see this new burm yesterday and I will be picking her up tomorrow, but here's the curveball; she is already gravid. That means that regardless of whether I wanted a clutch or not, I will have one to care for. The way I see it, I am the best in my area for pythons(and this isn't my dilluded self-image, it's popular opinion, so again, watch)so I would be the best to take this girl considering the circumstances.

Understand, I am choosing not to breed these, at least not until there are enough people set up for burms. BUT, do not credit yourselves(certain egos need not get bigger), this is my decision.

Lastly, Ill ellaborate on the Hitler thing, I had thought it was pretty straight-forward, but oh well. Realize that a thing are either right or wrong because it is made to be. Not to mention that perhaps a history lesson is in check because not everyone was just killed, the germans seemed to realized that torture and poverty were much more effective in ganing the fear and alegence of the populace. Now, if he had won, the "right" we all know and the way of life we all know would never be. You have to understand how limiting arrogance can be, because in it you choose certainties, and there are NO certainties, thus is the reason I AM KEEPING MY OPTIONS OPEN.

Also, I have always seen 15 ball pythons neglected and die to every one burmese.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

Again...Hitler has nothing to do with this...and winning the war would never have made us hate him any less. He certainly would have never been held up as a god by the Jews and defeting the alied forces would have never made what he did right and noone in the world with knowledge of what he did or was doing would have rested until they were dead themselves or brought him down. But the fact that you compare yourself to this scenerio gives light to the fact that you fully understand that what you are doing is wrong unless you are one of those swaztika waving neo-nazis yourself. And since you brought up egos...LOL...so you are the expert python man of all of Ontario huh? and you know of 40-50 suitable homes for more pythons? If everyone there but you are idiots then how can this be? You will never put anyone there out of business....even if you are the grand poobah of python husbandry and all the rest of the breeders there are total beandips producing scrawny snakes with leprosy, there is always an idiot factor....Idiot pet dealers will always buy from idiot breeders because neither knows what a healthy snake should even look like....nor do they care when you point it out...all they care about in many cases is who has the cheapest snakes....also...IF you are looking to make a business where you can actually make money, you will need a warehouse full of breeder snakes. A single breeding pair will not cover the cost of upkeep nor will it ever put another breeder out of business. How old are you anyway flood? Your dilusional bold ambition reeks of immature lack of real life experience.

Oh....the reason you see 15 balls suffer and die for every burm is because there a lot more balls than burms in Ontario ....this is like saying Rolls Royces are less likely to crash than Chevys because I see more crashed Chevys on the roads. The sad thing is...Due to the commercial pet trade / chain stores mass selling snakes to anyone with some pocket change and a 10 gallon tank, way more captive snakes are suffering in bad homes than are being properly cared for. This goes for virtually all small pets. Again...you will be adding to this and evening the sides for the burms I guess so they can play catchup with the suffering balls. If you are such a guru and plan to educate and oversee all of these new owners then why are you allowing all the ball pythons around you to suffer and die? Do you think that you can only speak up if they bought the snake from you? And how are you going to personally see to it that all of the burms you produce are cared for for life? YOU CAN'T.
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[Flood]

Hey Jules, believe it or not, I would rather give away FREE snakes to the people that I personally know would care for them than sell them to make money. That was never my plan, to make money from this, it would be a side project in my personal efforts towards helping the local herp community. And here's a question, what sets humans aside from every other animal??? The answer IS aspiration.
You're right, Hitler doesn't have anything to do with this, but it was a citation. The grander the scale, the more attention would be drawn. That is why I cited it, and the fact that you imply that I am a swaztika waving neo-nazi myself should offend me, but it doesn't. If you read up, I predicted it, and regardless of my views, I try to keep a neutral standpoint.
Also, I never said I was doing nothing to try and help the ball python situation here or any other animal for that matter. I do what I can, and you can take that to mean whatever you want. The fact that I seem to keep being compared to all the rest of these morons around is kind of bothersome, if it is going to take a list of my specific intentions here it is. Right now, I am working on getting a large reptile exhibit set up at a local "tropical gardens" that would consist of several pythons/boas, large lizards, aligators, etc...(and most of these would be rescues, because we don't have shelters that take reptiles). Now, here's where the burms come in, there is noone to breed healthy burms for this non-profit exhibit. So I assume they should get 10+ burms shipped?
I am not the expert of ontario, don't twist my words, but im my immediate area there are very few people to turn to for help with reptiles, and even fewer when it comes to large snakes. Once again, you're right, I can't watch over all the people that have snakes for the life of the animal, I know people who have been doing this for decades, and I have faith in them. People who have been doing this for as long as you or anyone else, but they can't possibly be any good at it? They just haven't acheived that Guru of Poo status that some have. You seem to think me stupid, and that I am going to breed these things and just throw them away to anyone who has $100. And if you want to talk about sad, the fact that noone seems to see any but one side of a matter is sad. I agree that there are more than enough burms, but by saying otherwise I seem to have angried some people.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

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Thanks for making my point in so few words. Why would you say otherwise against something you agree with? You just flunked Debate101.
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[Flood]

Just one more quick thing. I had mentioned up higher that I knew how high the numbers were, in which case, why did you continue?
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[Flood]

Oh, sorry, I said otherwaise against something I agree with because like it or not, it was still an option I didn't feel like denying myself. Which was my point.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

Because you continue to try and justify a need to breed/raise burms. As terrible as this sounds, it would be more humane to freeze and discard the eggs that may be laid rather than to pass out baby burms all over Ontario There are likely a lot more around than you think. I'm sure you didn't just aquire the ONLY burm in all of Ontario that needs a home. And if you did...great. Why create a problem just because there isn't one? You have not come up with any valid excuse for raising more burms.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

Yes you have options. In most everything you do in life there are always options. Sometimes these options make little or no difference, sometimes they make a lot of difference good or bad. Just please limit your decissions to the contrary of common sense to those that only affect your own life and not the life of innocent animals or persons.
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[LdyDrgn]

I'm totally behind Jules on this.

I see within your references that maybe you think Jules is the ego inflated Hitler around here? That we all follow him no matter right or wrong? Do I have this right?

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OH PLEASE! Come into chat sometime and see how many disagreements come up....

As far as keeping your options open. That's fairly lame. I had my ex-husband tell me that before when I asked him why he just didn't tell (insert random female name here) that he was taken...... When you 'keep your options open' someone gets hurt. In your case, it will be the burms. Yes, you already said you agree with the fact that there are too many out there. But then you say that you know so many that can care for the burms you hatch. Why don't these people go and search the stores to see if there are burms already out there needing a good home? Can you say DEDICATION?