Bad news for Aussie pythons.

[bensnacks]

Apparently I.B.D. has popped up in Aus. again.
Got email saying its shown up in private collection
on the mid N.S.W. coast.I've been told it could be disarsterous
to local wild populations. I'll let you know if I hear more..... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img]
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[captainmorgan]

I didn't think IBD spread like that? If it was in a local collection how would it spread out to the wild snakes?? I'll be honest I don't know much of IBD except symptoms because I've never had to deal with it.....I think one of Julius snake rescues had it once....but if it does effect the wild that will truly be a tragedy. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] let us know what you here!!!!
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[bensnacks]

It's illeagal but people take wild pythons and
others are realeased.Also wildlife carers looking
after wild pythons for short periods then releasing,
these snakes should be isolated but this is not always the
case. It could get out these ways I guess.

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[travis66]

Wow if IDB gets out like that it could be devistating to the local wildlife populations.
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[travis66]

sorry
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[bensnacks]

From a letter I received last year from Queensland
parks & wildlife service.
"This highly contagious viral disease is widespread in captive
collections in Europe & U.S..Thus far very few cases in Aust.
Only boas & pythons affected directlyother snakes can act as
carriers.The disease is spread by parasites, direct contact &air.
Condition is 100% fatal in pythons ,incubation period from 9-12 mnths.
this adds further complications."!!!!!!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]
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IBD is fatal to boas also...it just seems that it "lies" about in wait much longer in them though. BUT they are still contagious as anything if they have it. Unfortunately, there is nothing like a simple blood test to establish whether a snake has this or not. Here's more info to read on IBD . One of the biggest reasons that quarantine is so important.

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As you all know Ken/najaboy is umm wherever he said he was going in connection with the military...Anyway..I received an email from him and he has asked me to place the following on this thread...

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> While IBD is certainly a scary prospect, it shouldn't be a major cause of
concern regarding these wild populations. Firstly, pythons are the atypical
hosts of the virus. As such, symptoms progress rapidly with minimal incubation.
Death also follows rapidly. It is highly unlikely that a snake which was
asymptomatic in captivity will develop the disease after release and devastate
wild populations.

Also, IBD is not spread via airborne transmission, as was previously stated.
The vector of transmission for IBD is direct contact with bodily fluids.

Thanks,
Ken
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[bensnacks]

I hope you guys are right ,Lori,it Doesn't sound
nearly as bad as I had been told. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Anyway I'm off camping for the weekend
will talk to you's next week.!!!


avagoodweegend!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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[bensnacks]

Najaboy could you give me the source
of your info. on I.B.D.? I'm wanting to
learn a bit more on this sbject.
Thanx Naja!
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[bensnacks]

JUst bumpin this up while your here Ken!!
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[JuliusSqueezer]

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>one of Julius snake rescues had it once </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

This was a boa I found in a petstore about a year ago. It had a sign on the cage that read &quot;Needs Work&quot;...I forget what the price was. I thought that just meant that it wasn't tame. So I asked about it and the person there said...&quot;I dunno...he just acts weird&quot; He was stargazing in the cage and did not respond to my hand waving in front of him and he didn't recoil when I touched his nose nor did his tongue flicker. I reached in and lifted him out and his head contorted and slammed against my arm sideways and then flipped upside down...He struggled but could not right himself. I asked to speak to the owner. The owner wasn't there so I made them promise me to leave the snake quarantined and not handled by anyone for any reason till the next day. I went back the following day when the owner was there. First I explained to him what he had and how it could spread...Luckily the snake was housed alone since it's arival there. and even luckier...after checking every cage...there were no mites to be found anywhere in the store. We put the snake to sleep then and there because his days ahead were not to be pleasant and he was jeopardizing the rest of the snakes in the shop. Before I left the tank was filled with water and bleach and left to soak that way for a few days. Anyway...I woldn't really call it a rescue....but it was an experience none the less. The only animal(s) that were rescued were those saved from exposure.

I don't think that IBD would be a huge factor in wild populations either because unless the snakes are sharing communal dens and are infested with mites, they would have to lay around in each others feces wich out there is likely eaten by scavenger birds and mammals that won't be affected anyway. Exposure from breeding may be a factor but it is a slight one because symptomatic animals likely won't breed and it isn't like they have mass snake orgys out there in the Australian outback anyway. Wild snakes with IBD will likely die off and/or be eaten by birds, mammals or monitor lizards never having had a chance to pass on the disease. It seems to hit and take out pythons much faster than boas....Boas wern't mentioned there because...well...Boas don't live there other than some of the smaller candoia species that inhabit some of the smaller islands near Australia.
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[bensnacks]

Thanks for the reply Jules, I've been having trouble
getting one on this subject .The only information I can find
is contrary to previous posts!
The info I have been receiving states it is 'unknown' wether IBD
is transmittable by air OR it is transmittable by 'aerosolized airbourne
particles'.
I'm quite exited by the fact there are &quot;mass snake orgies out there in the
Australian outback&quot;. Diamond pythons,Water pythons ,Amethystina pythons
and Carpet pythons (mc dowelli) have all been observed exhibiting this behaviour
with Water pythons also been observed sharing dens .
On this subject I still have concerns ,If any one can steer me towards some more
literature to ease my mind on this subject ,that would be great.

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	Inclusion Body Disease IBD

[bensnacks]

Bumpin up for your att. Ken.

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[najaboy]

My apologies for somehow missing your request for so long Ben.

The best source for information concerning IBD is Dr. Elliot Jacobson at the University of Florida. His email address is JacobsonE@mail.vetmed.ufl.edu. UF has also put together a short webpage about IBD, which can be accessedhere.

One other source that I frequently rely on is Reptile Medicine and Surgery by Mader.

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[bensnacks]

Thanks Ken ,I hit the Prof. with a couple of Q's
but unfortunately said he did not have time to give
answers &amp; gave me the same link which was put up
by both Lori &amp; yourself which states &quot;exact route of transmission
has not been identified&quot;.
Unfortunately it looks like I'm back to square 1 &amp; none the wiser. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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