whats the reasoning

[marshall]

whats te reasoning behind keeping your ball pythons at 85 degrees warm and 75 degrees cool and saying feeding live is just the cruelist thing you could do to a snake??

i dont get it. enlighten me folks.

[ChristopherD]

I don't really see the relationship between the temps and feeding live... care to expand?

[Aaron_NSBM]

live rodents can do alot of damage to your snake..thats that reason

[Finghin]

Originally Posted by fb4076

I don't really see the relationship between the temps and feeding live... care to expand?

they're not related, he's just asking two questions about stuff.
feeding live: http://redtailboa.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15585

the temps: we're sticking them in a teeny tiny environment, in the wild they move to where they need to be the proper temperature, giving them a gradient in their enclosure allows them to do the same. they'll want to be in different spots at different times, making the cage a uniform temperature is going to trap them. they might get too warm, might not get warm enough.

[dhonaker]

i thank this is just someone trying to start trouble again

[VoodooChile]

Did you come here to learn? or to question the way we keep our reptiles?

The main reason I choose to feed frozen/thawed and recommend the same for others, is due to animals I have PERSONALLY seen damaged by live feeding. Even what is considered "responsible" live feeding can be dangerous to the snakes.
Its personal choices, really, and I feel for my snakes, it works better, and is ultimately the safest. I'd rather not risk my animals to injuries from live feeding.

[dhonaker]

Originally Posted by marshall

whats te reasoning behind keeping your ball pythons at 85 degrees warm and 75 degrees cool and saying feeding live is just the cruelist thing you could do to a snake??
i dont get it. enlighten me folks.

do you go up to a cow and bite it while its grazing in the pasture

[Milky2005]

Balls in the wild tend to hide underground where the temp is not 90 degrees, and as we keep the snakes in glass boxes where they cannot get underground it makes sense to lower the temperature a few degrees to compensate.

Feeding live can cause your animals harm. In the wild the prey or the predetor has the chance to run away, but in a snake tank neither can escape so they have no choice but to stand and fight. So would u prefer your snakes to be safe? Another reason to feed f/t is that it reduces illness, because most captive bred snakes have lost the enzymes to combat illness that could kill a captive bred snakes, these illness could esaly be overcome by wild snakes because of there natural immune system.

	Frozen/Thawed A rodent or other prey item that is frozen and then thawed to be fed to a reptile or other animal.

[Maybe_Someday]

Originally Posted by Milky2005

Balls in the wild tend to hide underground where the temp is not 90 degrees, and as we keep the snakes in glass boxes where they cannot get underground it makes sense to lower the temperature a few degrees to compensate.
Feeding live can cause your animals harm. In the wild the prey or the predetor has the chance to run away, but in a snake tank neither can escape so they have no choice but to stand and fight. So would u prefer your snakes to be safe? Another reason to feed f/t is that it reduces illness, because most captive bred snakes have lost the enzymes to combat illness that could kill a captive bred snakes, these illness could esaly be overcome by wild snakes because of there natural immune system.

This is not to personally attack or be arguementative with anyone, but I think Milky best said the reasons for not feeding live. Instead of just linking someone to the LIVE PILE why not point out the many other reasons that are just as equally relevant and important to be informed of. Like I said this is not to start a huge battle in here, I just think there are many other reasons NOT to feed live and to feed F/T instead. But sending them to the LIVE PILE makes it seem like stunning and/or prekilling the prey first is okay when in fact F/T is much healthier for the snake because it kills parasites and all diseases that could effect your snake (which are more likely to happen than your snake being seriously wounded from its dinner)This is not to say that the prey harming your snake is not a serious and real concern but I just think that there are many concerns than the snake the snake taking the bite that are more likely to happen. (and do happen) Normally I wouldn't post about anything concerning this, I just like to read what everyone has to say. I find it very helpful and enlightning, And I like to look at the pictures of the snakes. I don't really feel the need to put my 2 cents in on the threads that go on in here because everyone has such great helpful information but sometimes I feel that people ask questions and are literally concerned about the question and they are treated like there is only one right answer and any other answer is wrong and then it becomes a personal attack on the person from the members who don't agree and who have been here longer. Just my personal observation. I know that this is a bit off the thread so please excuse me I just think he might really want to understand and learn and if he feels like he is attacked or if anyone feels like they are attacked they are not going to learn. Thank you all very much for your time. And with that I will let you guys get back to answering the gentlemans question.

	Frozen/Thawed A rodent or other prey item that is frozen and then thawed to be fed to a reptile or other animal.

[dhonaker]

Originally Posted by I_know_stuff_about_stuff

This is not to personally attack or be arguementative with anyone, but I think Milky best said the reasons for not feeding live. Instead of just linking someone to the LIVE PILE why not point out the many other reasons that are just as equally relevant and important to be informed of. Like I said this is not to start a huge battle in here, I just think there are many other reasons NOT to feed live and to feed F/T instead. But sending them to the LIVE PILE makes it seem like stunning and/or prekilling the prey first is okay when in fact F/T is much healthier for the snake because it kills parasites and all diseases that could effect your snake (which are more likely to happen than your snake being seriously wounded from its dinner)This is not to say that the prey harming your snake is not a serious and real concern but I just think that there are many concerns than the snake the snake taking the bite that are more likely to happen. (and do happen) Normally I wouldn't post about anything concerning this, I just like to read what everyone has to say. I find it very helpful and enlightning, And I like to look at the pictures of the snakes. I don't really feel the need to put my 2 cents in on the threads that go on in here because everyone has such great helpful information but sometimes I feel that people ask questions and are literally concerned about the question and they are treated like there is only one right answer and any other answer is wrong and then it becomes a personal attack on the person from the members who don't agree and who have been here longer. Just my personal observation. I know that this is a bit off the thread so please excuse me I just think he might really want to understand and learn and if he feels like he is attacked or if anyone feels like they are attacked they are not going to learn. Thank you all very much for your time. And with that I will let you guys get back to answering the gentlemans question.

that was a very good post but this goes deeper then that it goes back to a older thread and im 99% sure that thisguy is trying to start trouble if im wrong plese forgive me