whats the reasoning - Page 2

MAG_Pythons · #21 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 04:07 AM

hahahahahah!!!! vodochili is NOT a noob, she is far from, don't come here accusing ppl that we know, love and respect, i'm not going to bash you for feeding live, because i realise that some people do it, but don't bash us for our beliefs on feeding frozen. i believe that every one is a noob at one point in time and i've learned a great deal from the people on this site and i learn new stuff every single day. i love learning and i don't bash ppl for what they think, i take it into account and add it to the library in my head, as long as there is a snake trade going, there will be different "correct" ways to take care of the animals we love. what ever works for you, works for you, most of us here find that f/t is less risky and easier to feed.
thanx,
Leigh

Jatango · #22 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 04:14 AM

I think the main point here is, why risk possible injury if you don't have to? I may be sticking my "noob" foot in my mouth here, but what is the benefit to feeding live? I mean, most people aren't breeding to release snakes into the wild, so making sure hunting instincts are alive and kicking really doesn't seem to have a purpose. I doubt snakes get enjoyment out of the hunt and kill process, they just want dinner IMHO. If that's the case, I would rather give them a bellyfull of something that won't bite back. Just my two cents.

RevMojo · #23 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by marshall

no trolling here. just discussion. or do you guys not like to hear other alternatives to snake care. because thats what its starting to sound like.

Welcome to RTB! We're really glad you're here.

If you're not trolling, then please, by all means, share your compelling reasons for feeding live, and for other temps. And for everyone's sake, share with us the science that backs it up. There's some stubborn folk around here, only believe in science. There's probably as many, though, that will believe anecdotal evidence. I don't have to agree with an idea to consider it. Give us a chance...maybe there are some benefits to your alternatives.

Otherwise, buzz off. It's like I tell the people that knock on my door...if your (insert religion, philosophy, or product here) was so great, wouldn't I be knocking on your door?

zsanorah · #24 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 08:12 AM

My personal reasons for feeding F/T over live. 1) It is cheaper then live feeding. 2) I can keep a large stock of the feeder animals that I need 3)It is less risky as in worrying about mites and other damaging insects. 4) whats dead cant hurt my snakes and 5) I never want to have to go through what Louise when through with chance ( what a wonderful job she did) Those are just my personal reasons, and perhaps they may not be good enough for you, but carefully reading the Live Thread might just help you understand, I know that it cemented my decision to not feed live.

SoundUnsleep · #25 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 08:57 AM

Looks like you are seriously interested in finding answers to your questions ... I'm gonna answer based on personal experience and research that I did many years ago, okay?!
Reasons for feeding f/t:
1. I have two cats in the house that are likely to go after fuzzy treats in cages

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2. I have no desire to add any more mites to my household than absolutely necessary

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3. Cookie, my cali king, had been fed live prior to me adopting her and she has some nice scars to tell her story.
4. It's convinient.

Overall, feeding live in an enclosure does in absolutely no way compare to feeding in the wild. My snakes have no chance to pull back from a defensive rat, like they could in the wild, which increases their risk of injury.
Those are my PERSONAL reasons for feeding f/t.
Temps:
You are refering to thermal physiology and thermoregulatory adaption.
The temperatures suggested by most breeders are not just a simple guess at how to make a snake feel most comfortable. They are indeed based on scientific studies that were initiated and funded by Zoos that are housing rare species of snakes (and during the duration of these tests the less rare snakes, incl. BP's were studied as well). Metabolism, digestion, etc. are directly connected to the temperatures in an enclosure.
When the temps are too low the snake will eat less frequently, which in turn causes nutrient defficiencies and that in turn causes dehydration over a period of time. The snake will become more inactive and becomes stressed.
With temps too high the metabolic rate increases, causing the burning of calories at a high rate and increased hormone production. Over a period of time this causes an increase in the heart rate, a decrease in feeding frequency, which - together with the high metabolism - will cause weight loss.
Taking that in consideration my PERSONAL opinion is, that the temps as suggested by most breeders and scientists are necessary to keep my babies healthy.
I'm sure that most Zoo's reptile houses, or veterinary colleges would be more than happy to provide you with a list a-mile-long of the results of this research.

VoodooChile · #26 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by marshall

dangling a live rat is the stupidest thing ive ever heard. it stress the rat out to where he's already in defense mode which is NOT good. its noobs like you that live feeding gets the bad name from.

no trolling here. just discussion. or do you guys not like to hear other alternatives to snake care. because thats what its starting to sound like.

The stupidest thing Ive ever heard is someone calling me a "noob", but yet I obviously know enough to not pop on a site and start bashing regular members and questioning the way they keep their snakes, just because I disagree.

The advice I give is based on personal experience, and not because, "well it hasnt happened yet". I've seen what live feeding CAN do, and I choose not to risk it.

I never said a word about BPs getting RIs..so I dont know where that is coming from, unless on BP.net they are having another RTB bash fest. Its ironic, we dont sit and bash you guys for the way you keep your snakes, even if we disagree. We also dont insult people who feed live, just try to advise them as to why we dont, and make suggestions to those interested in switching. I find it funny people who feed live practically INSIST the rest of the reptile community should feed live.

You asked WHY, we told you. Obviously you ARE here to TROLL, or you wouldnt be insulting members. Youd take the info given to you, and OBJECTIVELY look it over.

Reptscue · #27 (**permalink**) 07-31-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by marshall

you must know that freezing rats kill the parasites but doesnt kill the eggs right?
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no trolling here. just discussion. or do you guys not like to hear other alternatives to snake care. because thats what its starting to sound like.

First off welcome to RTB.net.....

Where did you hear that the eggs don't get killed?
All parasites including the eggs are killed in the freezing process...

Everyone has their own opinions on feeding live. Please share yours, but don't expect a warm welcome from other people. Most of us here do a lot of rescue work and get the snakes that have been chewed up so bad that multiple surgeries have to be done to repair the damage caused by feeding live.

If there are better alternitives to feeding live, then why do it the old way, why not feed frozen thawed?

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