This is awful.

[telefrag]

Im warning you now, if you have a weak stomach, or just plain cant stand dumb things that people do.
Dont watch it.

But I wanted people to be aware of this.
http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...5&pagenumber=1

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[eddie]

Eeeek!

Please, before everyone/anyone goes nuts on gun owners.. please remember that this is not a prime example of typical gun owning, law abiding second amendment supporters

I didn't get to see the video due to puter issues, but gathered the ghist of it in the thread..
I say if he wants to test the .17 cal on something, let it be real varments, such as prairie dogs, sewer rats etc..

[toker]

that is so sad.

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[trinitywolf]

I would second Eddie on this. This is certainly a detestible behavior, but it is not reperesentative of the gun owning population. In my hunting circle, these people would be disowned and completely disrespected by almost everyone. Every hunter I know and speak to with ANY regularity concentrates on wildlife management and is fairly ecologically consciece. Every one of them has more ethics than displayed in that video...that is just senseless killing.

[Koviack]

"I went to visit a friend in the country another time. The main purpose was to help with fencing, clearing brush, and to socialize. He told me to bring my .22 along because he had a snapping turtle in his pond that was eating his fish. For three days we tried to kill that turtle. It seemed to be able to hear us coming from a quarter mile away. Two or three times a day we would take a break and “quietly” sneak up to the crest of a hill overlooking the pond. Many times we would just have time to see the turtle disappear beneath the surface. Other times we would each get off a shot, but between the distance, our open sights, and our abilities we could not take that critter out. On the third day, we went through our established ritual with that turtle, but we were pretty sure it got the best of us once again. About a week later my friend called to say the turtle was now only scaring the fish: one of our shots made good and the turtle was now floating around the pond at the mercy of the wind. Funny thing was that the turtle carcass was never near shore when my friend went out to check on it, so it gave him fits for another week even in death. We decided it was a turtle of somewhat mythical proportions."

"the next time you're about to pull the trigger with a living thing in the crosshairs, make sure you're doing it for the right reason."


Well, I killed a squirrel today because it was eating my birdseed. I didn't place it out there for squirrels, I put it there for birds. Is that a right reason? I then spent the next 2 hours trying to dig it's corpse out of a hole. I had no clue that squirrels lived underground around my house. At least that one used to.

I think you seriously misunderstand the nuisance factor of turtles and blackbirds here.

Do you know that sometimes the blackbirds are SO bad that they call the local sherrifs out with shotguns to chase the clouds of birds around?

When we see turtels like these crossing the road we swerve to hit them.

We cook them in a kind of soup I guess.

I've never done it myself but I've eaten it a few times. Its STICKY! Its like eating glue. Plus you dont really skin the turtle.
We would kill them by lopping off the head wash it with a pressure washer, take the arms/legs/neck out and then scald the skin in a pot of boiling water. THis took the first layer of skin off kinda like if you had a sunburn.
But all the fingers and bumpy texture of the skin and stuff was still there. So its kinda icky when you are eating the stuff to see the little feets floating around :P

We always thought it was WAY cool that even 30 mins or so after the head came off you could still have it bite a stick in half

[JuliusSqueezer]

Even putting the horrors aside of justifying killing off mostly vegetarian cooters by saying they are eating the crayfish that he wishes to harvest (insects and crayfish are a small part of the diet but very small) It is also not smart and is mentioned in all the gun safety guidesI have ever read NOT to shoot a gun into water because the bullets will ricochet and end up who knows where. He could save money on bullets and throw out some turtle pellets to meet their small protein needs ....or at least admit he's a stupid redneck that just gets off on watching turtles explode.

[CheshireCat]

I don't have anything against people hunting for food or keeping populations of animals down where necessary but I feel that the attitude of the guy who made the video and those similar is psychopathic.
Psychopaths just have no idea at all that they're doing anything immoral and you'd never be able to persuade them otherwise because they just don't have whatever bits of brain or chemicals necessary to get a guilty feeling like anyone "normal"

[JuliusSqueezer]

I would go say a few things but I don't need to get involved in another cross site adventure lol...someone should bring up though that killing off natural predators and upsetting the natural balance has NEVER yet worked out as planned. Overpopulation due to lack of predation will cause the weak to survive and pass on poor genetics and disease. The crayfish in this case, will now have a much harder time keeping up with the competition for food and hide spots because it really doesn't take a whole lot of crayfish in a small pond to propegate a huge population. The few crayfish that the cooters were taking likely did much more good than bad in keeping a natural balance. In the late 1800s men started killing off wolves, mountanlions, coyotes and anything else they thought might be hurting their deer population out west.,,,once these animals were nearly all killed off out there, they realized how benificial it was for these animals to cull the wounded, sick and diseased deer and other game animals. They also found out the hard way that these animals were mostly eating rodents and because of the kill off, rats and mice populations exploded...causing WAY more harm than before....Mongooses in Hawaii didn't turn out so well either. Nor did bringing kudzu to the US from Japan to control erosion...we really need to leave nature alone and stop trying to control just the parts we like about it. Our track record sucks.

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[trinitywolf]

You bring up some very valid points...and someone had been argueing it was a bad idea. However, the thread has been locked down by the moderators due to some posts by people with poor language skills.
To be honest, it was painfully obvious that any arguement anyone made against this practice would be met with broad, unintelligent answers such as: YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND, WHY DON"T YOU COME TAKE THEM BACK WHERE YOU LIVE THEN, and other such ludicris crap.

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[MTB Mamba]

Nothing like wonderful justification for an inappropriate act. I'm with JS on man controlling population, hasn't worked before, we always over or under do it. That video was a bit tasteless, and for someone who spends so much time shooting, you would think they could at least hold the camera still.

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[eddie]

Or at least mount it on the spotting scopes tripod

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[JonnyArmani41]

There sick wrong and I am sure that what they were doing is not legal cuase in the video it looks like there shooting from a golf cart now that is in most states considered Illegal I am sure if you D.N.R Git a copy of that tappe they would have some well earned counsequnses and that is coming from an avide hunter what they are doining is just plain WRONG

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[trinitywolf]

correct me if I'm wrong...but doesn't the statement "way I see it varmits is varmits" loosely equate to "if it inconvieniences me, I can kill it"?

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[trinitywolf]

I didn't actually see the video (but if you have even a small imagination you don't have to if you read the thread), but I found the most disturbing part of the whole thing the gleeful way that they went about discribing the destruction of a living being. What happened to be sorry you have to kill something? I mean, I find hunting deer to be exhilerating, but there has not been ONE time that I didn't feel sorrow at having destroyed a life. I mean, if you want to eat them, it's a necessary evil...that's the jux I suppose. To me, it also makes you respect the animal and balance of wildlife even more. <shrug>

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[SteveP]

Ah yes...the only good turtle is a dead turtle. Ignorance is alive and well (look at the things we do to our own species!). Someday maybe a superior alien race will come to our planet and plink away at the humans, saying, "look at those stupid S.O.B.'s, they just sit there!" We're certainly the most waistful species to ever exist. As my signature says..."Its not that we don't know. Its just that we don't want to care." What a legacy, very sad!

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[telefrag]

HAHA Steve.

I personally think that aliens are many years evolved humans who have mastered the art of space and time travel and come back to learn about our past to prevent things from happening in their time.

But im a wierdo.

We all know aliens CANT exist, its not possible..
HAHA!

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[eddie]

coast to coast am is for you Frag

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[telefrag]

what is that?

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[toker]

I personally think that aliens are many years evolved humans who have mastered the art of space and time travel and come back to learn about our past to prevent things from happening in their time

Interesting... I might have to ponder that a little bit.

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[telefrag]

Originally Posted by toker

Interesting... I might have to ponder that a little bit.

but im talking thousands of years of evolution. so much so to where our bodies have totally changed.
Perhaps to withstand physical pressure that time travel and hyperspeed space travel would present.

I havent put much thought into this or anything

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