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10-21-2003, 03:14 PM
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PETA
Just a little FYI about PETA:
Peta's official stance:
eliminate the meat industry ("we’re absolutely opposed to breeding animals for humans");
abolish the use of furs from fur farms or wild animals;
stop all hunting ("there’s something fundamentally wrong with a person who feels that it’s acceptable to go out into the woods, and for fun, slaughter")
and fishing ("fishes suffocate");
eliminate the use of animals in entertainment, medical research and military research;
prevent the use of all animal products such as wool ("we don’t need wool") and silk ("silkworms can feel pain");
and stop the ownership of animals as pets
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PETA was involved with arsonist Rodney Coronado of the Animal Liberation Front, who torched a Michigan State University animal research laboratory. Coronado sent PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk two packages, one before the arson, one after the arson. When police searched the premises where Coronado sent the packages, they found false identification for Coronado and for PETA co-founder Alex Pacheco, to be used as part of a burglary to release captive animals, suggesting close relations between PETA leaders and ALF crimes.
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Rodney Coronado previously received $70,400 from PETA
PETA co-director Ingrid E. Newkirk asserted about those who eat meat, "I would think it’s primitive, barbaric, arrogant, unnecessary."
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She agreed with an interviewer that pet ownership is the moral equivalent of slavery, unless the animal needed shelter to begin with. The very word "pet" is offensive, since it "connotes a demeaning attitude of master versus thing."
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Ingrid Newkirk said about people, "We’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth," and in the same interview volunteered the macabre thought, "Human euthanasia would be a great step if there were no abuses."24 Medical research to save children’s lives is improper, since "you have no right."
PETA’s Newkirk declared in a now-famous 1986 interview the oft-reprinted quote, "I don’t believe human beings have the ‘right to life.’ That’s a supremacist perversion. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."
Newkirk on having children
"I am not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity."
Its leaders wholeheartedly defend and encourage guerilla groups like the Animal Liberation Front. In fact, Bruce Friedrich, one of PETA's most prominent leaders, says in a speech readily available on the Internet [CCF caught and recorded Friedrich saying this at a 2001 convention] 'I think it would be a great thing if, you know, all these fast food outlets and these slaughterhouses and these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow.
This was just a quick search. I foud many quotes interesting. Thought I would share. Much mroe militant than people think.
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10-21-2003, 04:03 PM
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They have been on my 'watch list' for some time, especially since what they want directly affects every human on the planet.
Luckily one of the groups I am a member of keeps excellent tabs on them as well. 
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10-21-2003, 04:16 PM
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My youngest sister is a member of PETA, and a practicing Vegan. I know first hand how true all of this is, and how much deeper it goes. It is scary in a way how "brainwashed" members can become, and to what extent they will fight for animal rights. My sister has been arrested, has stolen animals, set others "free", and will preach her opinion at anyone in earshot.
Don't underestimate the power of their convictions, as I KNOW she and her husband would break most laws (short of murder), for the "rights" of an animal. Or an insect.
I'm all about proper care and husbandry, but I gotta draw the line at setting my snakes free because their ancestors were once wild...
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10-21-2003, 04:19 PM
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10-21-2003, 04:33 PM
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The more I delve into background, the more amazed I am at the support these groupls have given the public statements they make. I could not make stuff this farfetched up! Gotta have someplace to vent.
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10-21-2003, 04:36 PM
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Well..there are those out there that think plants feel pain too...We gotta eat something. Plus...if we stopped eating meat right now, all those animals that we should be eating would be eating up all the plants and of course so would we..then what? soon there would be no more plants to produce oxygen and all the life left on the planet that hasn't starved to death would suffocate. You can't just throw a wrench in the food chain at any given time and not have major reprocussions. Life feeds on Life. That's the way it is and that's the way it will always be. PETA makes a lot of noise and has for a long time. But I don't see them ever having a large enough following to outlaw meat and pets. By making all this noise though, they have drawn attention to certain inhumane practices and have done some good by getting a few puppymills shut down. This is a good thing. These places should be shut down. But does shutting down puppy mills outlaw dogs as pets? no...nor will it ever. They have a right to beleive anything they want to beleive in just as we do. Any other way would be against everything American. They have a right to voice their beleifs just as we do...We also have a right to ignore them as they have no right to impose anything they can't get a majority vote on. If they lobby some laws into action with hidden agendas and twisted words....a law is a law when it is written into law but only matters when enforced by a court. I just don't see any judge bowing down and saying ...yah they got us boys..no more burgers or chicken fingers....and everyone has to turn in their "pets". It just won't happen. They have a lot of bark but very little bite...except in the cases where they stumble on acts of cruelty that would make even Saddam cringe. But they aren't winning those battles because they are the all powerful PETA...wrong is wrong and even us evil meat eaters and pet keepers agree on some issues of animal cruelty and it is the meat eating poodle keepers of the world that ultimately have the power to stop these practices...not PETA. PETA just gets a feather in the cap for pointing the finger. It is dangerous to assume that because you don't agree with the main body of their beliefs that everything they scream about is wrong. Let em scream. They have the right to scream. I would be far more concerned if they weren't allowed to scream, however stupid their rants are. I believe strongly in Freedom of Speech.... and also the freedom to ignore stupidity.
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10-21-2003, 04:55 PM
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"short of murder" - well, technically, by releasing animals at fur farms and such that is exactly what they're doing. Contributing to the deaths of thousands of those animals that can't survive in the habitat they were released into, as well as any wild animals they may come across in their search for food, again, in a habitat that they do not belong in. The way I understand their viewpoint is that all animals are better off dead than in the hands of humans.
Might I throw in that HSUS's opinions on the issues, especially when it comes to pet "ownership" are not far from PETAs. They're just a little more withdrawn and conservative. HSUS has been pushing since the 70s to have all exotics and native wild species completely banned as pets.
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10-21-2003, 04:59 PM
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Julius.
I defiantely agree on freedom of speech. But as it is there right to lobby against us, it is our right to stand up to them. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away (just look at the member list on the left bwahahahaha  )
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