Lose your pets or Stop Pet "Guardianship"

[bensnacks]

[eddie]

That in itself is another issue..
Imagine what every man made structure, including your house would be like when you are no longer allowed to do improvments, add-ons, paint, general care for, can't build decks, garages, new buildings such as schools, supermarkets, repairs for storm damage etc since it can all be traced back to possibly offending or harming even a small gnat.

What then?
Dig shelters and caves in the ground and hillsides?
Sorry.. not allowed as the dirt is home to many bugs and worms.

Like I stated in a previous post, the ultimate goal of some of these activist groups is absolute control..

When you have to run a petition through them in order to reshingle your roof and to ask if Levis are ok (tar fumes might give flies wing cancer and cotton fields are home to many bugs..) to wear on a daily basis, IF they are allowed to produce them.

You may even need permission to use the toilet... depending on what you ate the night before.. it may emit too much methane and hence further deplete the ozone and cause a seagull to be severly sunburned...

[bensnacks]

So have pet stores become illeagle in the many areas this legislation
has been implemented???

[bensnacks]

Oh!, why do I end up having to be the protaganist, it's not fair.

No disrespect Brian but since I noticed the original post I could'nt
help of thinking of Henny Penny,-"the sky is falling, the sky is falling".
There has been numerous other threads saying 'the gov's going to do this, the gov's going to do that'. I haven't seen one post where this has come to fruition saying 'the gov. took my animal away'!!
There hasn't been one pet store closed as a result of this law has there??!
There is another theme which runs through this thread which disturbs me somewhat...
the 'right' to 'own' an animal.
Where doess the line get drawn between the individual and the rest of humanity.??
I'll blab more later on this,
Nigh ,nigh

[BWSmith]

This is just laying the groundwork. They will not take it any further until they have a strong foothold. If you will notice, the API, PETA, and HSUS have been pretty much leaving us alone recently. hmmmmm. maybe to give us a false sense of security while lay the preparations for future actions. They have learned that they can not win the war in a single battle. I think they have learned that their goals have to be set for the long term. So once they get gaurdianship established through much of the United States, then we may begin to see lawsuits spring up here and there trying to gain a legal leg to stand on. I am not saying that Gaurdianship with strip our rights overnight, but it is easier to break the egg than slay the dragon.

[BWSmith]

No disrespect Brian but since I noticed the original post I could'nt
help of thinking of Henny Penny,-"the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

HEY! You're comparing me to a feeder!

Well let's look at a couple examples of rights being taken away. Of course there is Alabama. Vitually overnight they passed a law banning the keeping of Venomous. They told people that already owned that they would be grandfathered in. So they told all the current to send thema list of what they had and that they had to be inspected for a permit. Upon arriving, they informed them that there was no grandfather clause and took the animals. Then they established a rediculous permit system that made even the most seasoned keepers start from scratch again. Then we have FLorida. Florida has always been a mecca for hot keepers because of a great permit system. But Hillsborough County (where Tamps is), just his week passed a law banning venomous circumventing the state permit system. These are just a couple quick examples kof what is happening here. These groups have made it known of there agenda and this minor change in terminology has horrible potential.

[eddie]

Considering the way that most free people will fight against a direct attack on their rights, the easiest way that a governing body OR an activist group can achieve their ultimate goals is through deceptive language and empty promises.
It's been done in the past here, was a precursor to Hitlers perfect Germany and WWII, is going on in many areas of the world.

Just change the subject of 'animals' to 'firearms' in your own country Ben and you'll see the corelation.
By the way.. why is the Australian government banning crossbows now?

Baby steps Ben, baby steps..

It doesn't matter what the subject of the proposals is, as long as they start small and get the innocent sounding laws passed, the bigger steps will be that much easier to put into place.

[RevMojo]

next week's chat topic perhaps? It's that or listen to Faze and I brag about field herping exploits...

[BWSmith]

I am getting an online petition put together. i will post alink when it is done. i am trying to expand it beyon herps and include all pets to make it more general.

[impermanentrage]

I believe that we are having some serious misconceptions about what has produced the movement behind pet guardianship. Firstly, i would like to add that mammalian and avian species are the primary concern of this movement, and secondly, shutting down petstores, IMO, is far from a bad thing. Yes, there are indeed petstores that operate within the confines of local laws, but at times local laws are hardly adequate to protect the species which are summarily exploited. Local animal welfare/control agencies are constantly being bogged down by laws with little or no teeth, inexperienced or poorly trained personnel, and a community who finds it abhorrent to mistreat companion animals but legitimate to eat factory farmed pigs,chix, and cows. Consistency in legalities is key to creating an overall consensus on what animal "ownership" really is. My views are primarily pragmatic, as such i make attempts at findin