Lose your pets or Stop Pet "Guardianship"

[eddie]

Off topic for a post.

you lot act like you're surprised.

face it - you live in a country where someone can be sued for sneezing in a restaraunt, where OJ Simpson walked free, where schoolchildren have access to guns and regularily shoot their classmates, where pizza delivery guys drive 5.0 litre pick ups and let's not forget... where you have a retarded gibbon as a leader.

personally i'm all for it. but yah know... some people might think america is a crazy place to live.

You can tell who hasn't been here, to the US for any amount of time.

OJ was put in the system and tried.
Whether he is guilty or not, he was tried fairly.
The system worked as it should.

Guns?
School kids accessing them?
Guess you fell for the propaganda that is put out to try and ban them...
Even with more guns than ever in America, school violence is at an all time low.
Certainly there are some high profile stories BUT actual numbers tell the truth.
Certain states have also proven that banning weapons does NOT reduce crime, yet increase it and states that allow concealed carry, have their crime rates plummet.
Besides, I feel much safer in my gun ridden society than I would ever feel walking in broad daylight in downtown 'gun free' London.

Pizza guys in 5 liters...
Strange.. most of the pizza guys I have seen are in beat up 4 cylinder crap cars due to not making enough money to waste on newer vehicles or the fuel they use.

A retarded gibbon as a leader...
Odd that your Tony Blair is his bedmate of sorts..
Does that mean you have retarded gibbons as leaders as well?

[BWSmith]

I want to add that the Members Area of the PIJAC site has an incredible amount of information and tools! You can even do a quick search for your local reps by zip code and send emal directly to representatives (local, state, and federal) directly through the site.

[telefrag]

I dont think this will ever be a national "standard", its too extreme, the big business that profits from pet ownership will have too much lobbying power to let this be a national or permanent thing.

HSUS, PETA,IDA,EDF,ARM none of those groups (some of them that I have supported in the past) have the financial or lobbying power that say Purina, or Petsmarts parent companies have.

This is mere propaganda, it may have been passed in one state, but im sure if we see an actual copy of the legislation, or regulation, we may see that its interpretation has been construed.

[BWSmith]

Actually it has passed in several jurisdictions throughout the country. Or should I say "adopted". Once the terminoogy is there, it opens the floodgate. But they will not try anything drastic until it is established throughout much of the US. It has primarily been unopposed because of the false pretenses they are presenting. Most are not looking at the implications. Language is the backbone of the law. There may be groups with more power than our enemies, but do they recognize the threat? Can they keep up with it since they are generally lobbying smaller jurisdictions such as counties and towns? I don't know. But so far, they have not hit a great deal of resistance except form PIJAC and Vets.

[telefrag]

I dont think calling them "enemies" is purely appropriate.
I know the prospect of taking away the rights for us to have our pets may be a bit unnerveing to us, perhaps we SHOULDNT have animals in captivity.
Perhaps we are not susposed to breed animals to make money, I cant say I disagree with the logic of animals being turned into commodities, I dont know how many herpers I talk to that associate how cool a patricular animal is based on how much it costs.
Also I see numerous ads saying " make your money back this year" so we cant truthfully say that many herpers dont look at herps as a way to make money.
These are just people that are concerned with how animals are treated in this country.

Being a 14 year vegetarian, I can see their points, although I dont agree with their warped logic on how to implement their agenda.

[Vegetatoboaotaku]

telefraq in my case I do find the "term" enemies appropriate...
any group that chooses to destroy my “right” of possession of animals is an agent which would find it desirous to ruin one of the few things that is fundamentally important to my life...
They are the enemies of my “pursuit of happiness”... and a happiness which IMHO is contained within the principle of private domain and rarely if ever detracts from the natural rights of another... they have no legal grounds to stand on, only a moral assumption that animals can not be possessed because they have “rights”...
True, I can see where they are coming from... On a whole they are trying to look out for the animals well-being but they take it too far... The key here I think is welfare and not rights...
I am an avid supported of animal welfare but never ever rights....

[eddie]

And I am having a nice slab of cow for dinner...

Being a 14 year vegetarian

More for ME!!

Considering that many of these radical groups actua
l ultimate goal is to have a society of servants instead of citizens, then yes, the word enemy is quite appropriate.

Considering just how far these baby steps delve into everyones (and I do mean EVERYONES) personal life, the ultimate goal is complete control.
Tell everyone what they can have as a pet today....
Tell everyone what to feed the 'children' the next...
Eventually telling us what we do for a living, what we can drive, what to wear etc..

Heck, they are already trying to tell us what to think!!
The new bill that the NRA is fighting.. it definately deters free speech.. unless you are a major news source..
The Bill reads to the effect that if you, Joe Blow, are discussing politics a certain amount of time prior to an election, YOU can go to jail as a felon.

Tell me the liberal crowd doesn't want 100% absolute control over the US and the rest of the world..

Baby steps have started..
Time to toss the baby out with the bath water.

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[telefrag]

well, I wont get into the logistics of why eating meat is fundamentally and environmentally wrong in its current incarnation.
In fact, the meat industry is responsible for much of the deforestation that destroys millions of acres of boa habitat each year. why? so you can have .99 cheesburgers at mcdonalds.

All im saying is, they have every right to take up whatever agenda they wish, and if its not the will of the people, then it will not come to pass (for those of you who think we still actually live in a democracy).

There is more going on here than someone trying to push a anti pet ownership agenda, and remember, many of us that voted for certain people in the past elections have given power to those wanting to push these actions.

Cut the head off the beast, not the arms.