Shoot That Dog!!!!! Not My Day!!!!!

Blackwidow_woman · #1 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 12:33 AM

[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] well its just not my day,, first off the nextdoor neighbors refuse to put there dog on a chain,, well we have the other dogs they have had on survalance tape and vidieo killing our chickens and rabbits and chasing our horses.. now the dog catcher wouldnt do anything about it but tell us our rights, that because we have livestock we can shoot the dogs ,, no prob we already new that.. now he has another dog that he wont chain up when out and he kept coming over here and i warned him i would shoot the dog, well that dont work ,, so today his dog came over here and chewed up my top english bulldog which was on a chain so he lost his advantage to fight back the best he could now hes messed up.. i am so mad!!!!!!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] Funny thing is he says my dog is now a wimp and that hes still gona let his dog run lose.. Now im gona shoot that dog!!!! Cops wont do anything nither as we have filed complaints ten times befour and they dont deal with this sorta thing... what is the world commin to... Im legal and there not and they get away with it....Cassie is so mad and hurt from this thats her dog....and they wont even pay for the vet bill should he go in.. morons... Just wanted to share my bad day.... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img]

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eddie · #2 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 12:40 AM

Since it is legal, do what I do.
Drop it, get rid of it.
When they ask if you've seen it, say no.
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storm · #3 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 01:26 AM

Grr. I can't abide people who don't control their animals. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]
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deadboy · #4 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 01:32 AM

yea i would definately shoot the dog. People should control their animals. IT is tearing up your livestock that you paid for and the neighbors dont kare. Screw that. That is horrible tha animal control or the cops wont do anything about. As long as they keep getting dogs and not tieing them up, they are just asoon dead.
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Reticu-Lady · #5 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 02:05 AM

You have my complete and total sympathy. My little Aussie was just torn up by my neighbor's Gt Pyrnese Wednesday. Sad thing is, Trinket (my dog) was inside my fenced in back yard AND inside a 6 ft high chain link kennel. The other dog jumped the yard fence and tormented my (show) dog through the chain link. Trinket now has 13 stitches in her paw and puncture wounds on her neck and ear. The neighbor is insisting it is not his problem. Sad thing is, I hate to hurt the dog as it is not her fault (just like her puppies that are allowed to run loose with her), it is the fault of the careless and thoughtless owner.
Since you have video tapes, could you file a lawsuit? I know, you just don't have enough going on right now, I have read about Cassie, wow, sending you a cyberhug and prayers now.
If it helps, you have yet one more person in your corner. Hang in there, I will also be thinking of you.
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schatzie001 · #6 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 04:07 AM

Well, since I don't think you want to shoot your neighbor, how about popping a cap in that dog's mangy rearend!
That is so lame, I am about ready to come up there and lock and load....Don't worry Eddie, I will pick you up on the way [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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kasper22 · #7 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 05:04 AM

I hate neighbors, I have a problem with one and I don't even know which one. My neighbor called the police cause my fiance's car was broken and I parked it on the side of the road for two weeks. The police came and took the car, but I don't really care about losing the car. It was one of those fix one thing and have two more go wrong problems.

Back to the issue at hand I say you warned your neighbor so "take care" of the dog.
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talon · #8 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 05:04 AM

you tried!
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Blackwidow_woman · #9 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 08:47 AM

[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] the thing that really gets to me is they move here from the city and then they say oh no one cares and we can do whatever we want in these woods and turn there pets lose.. that really makes me mad.. but good ol Tracey keeps her pets safe, well i thought they was safe outside anyways mine are on a chain or behind a fence and i have all this property and look what happens anyways.. morons thru the woods.. even there kids go all over my property as he says oh geez my kids can go on your property anytime they please to hang out in the trees.. I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!! They sneak onto the back of the property and shoot the deer, i put up a fence they took my poles down everytme i tried to put them up, i got my one side of the property survayed and they moved the stakes let alone they took down all my no tresspassing signs... MORONS!!!! If i was rich i would build a brick wall around my property [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] If it wasnt for the things going on with cassie i would be getting very very very even with these people...... it would be like my mini war , the hatfields and the macoys... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img] me normal nah!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]

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CheesenJamButty · #10 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 11:38 AM

Our Princess Anne's just been in court over a similar case where her dogs caused some aggro. Dont know what the outcome was but at least the UK hold owners responsible for their pets behaviour.
It took a few kids lives to get the laws changed tho'.
We had a rangey white tomcat causing same problem, meanest toughest thing you ever saw(muscles on its muscles). Even humans wouldnt go near it. Didnt want to kill it but managed to set up a trap and caught it within 1/2 hr. Deposited it in woods about 20 miles away and didnt see it again.
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bensnacks · #11 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 12:00 PM

Unfortunately it's not the dogs fault and yet its going
to be the one that really pays.
Just make it a nice clean shot Black double-u, [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] .
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Ophiophagus-hannah · #12 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 03:23 PM

"....a hunting we will go....a hunting we will go...Hi...Ho..." [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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trinitywolf · #13 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 05:47 PM

Well, I guess I obviously stand in the minority here when I say I think it would be reprehensible to shoot the dog. The person to blame, and punish, is the irresponsible owner. I understand your desire to stop the terror, but is ending the life of an animal that is only doing what instinctivly it knows to do the right thing to do? For those of you who say it is legal, that does not make it right. This would be no different than a snake suffering b/c of some irresponsible owner that let it loose or let it escape. Everyone here would be up in arms about something like that. This is no different. I hear all the time that people do not treat herps with the same TLC as other animals b/c they are not cute and furry. To me, this looks like a bad case of hypocrisy from the other side. Sometimes laws do not reflect the moral thing to do. Although you have a huge weight to bear and need no more added aggrivation, shooting the dog is wrong. There are legal avenues to take, and they should be taken before you shoot that animal. If you must do something, do something MORALLY correct and take the dog and place it in rescue, so that a repsonsible owner can care for it.
Personally, I can't believe all the people here joining in on this like it is a game.
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> yea i would definately shoot the dog </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> how about popping a cap in that dog's mangy rearend! </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> so "take care" of the dog. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> "....a hunting we will go....a hunting we will go...Hi...Ho..." </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

BTW, I am a hunter, so I am by far no soft pacifist, and have killed numerous animals myself. The difference is I do it to manage wildlife, to eat, and yes, because I enjoy the hunt. This is a domesticated animal that has learned to trust in humans. Not even close to the same thing. There is an ethical way of doing things, and shooting the dog would not be ethical. I do not mean this statement to reflect that anyone here is not ethical, only that shooting the dog would not be.

I don't really want this to be inflammatory, and I realize that it may get me kicked off the site, but sometimes you have to stand up for what you belive in.
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jpaulson · #14 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 07:25 PM

Just because an animal is not a reptile, does that mean we have the right to kill it? We preach day in and day out about the safety and protection of our reptiles, to a point that we can get down-right mean. We see and hear the different horror stories that people post on this site, and it apalls us. We are quick to "bash" anyone that mis-treats snakes, geckos, iggy's, etc...but when it comes to cats and dogs, it's OK?

I personally have always had reptiles for pets, as I really don't care for dogs and cats as pets. BUT, that doesn't give me the right to kill them, does it?

I know that they injured your pet, BWW, and have been causing other problems. I urge you to continue to find a less violent way to handle the situation.

Trinitywolf made a good point that I would like to mention--<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>This is a domesticated animal that has learned to trust in humans. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

We don't blame a snake for biting, do we? We say it is the owners fault or stupidity. How can this be much different?

I don't think it is a question of ethics, Trinitywolf, but double-standards.
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dlamphere · #15 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 07:34 PM

What I would do is to catch the dog and take it to a shelter in another county. That way it will be harder to get it back. If you are in a place like I am, the animal control will not come out and catch the dog but by law, if you bring it in,,,they can not refuse it. You can take them to court about the bull dog you own but I think you have more important things on your mind right now.
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schatzie001 · #16 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 08:11 PM

OK folks, look what BWW has said about these dogs in her original post....

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> killing our chickens and rabbits and chasing our horses.. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

You cannot compare pet snakes to what she is dealing with here, this is a totally different scenario all together. I understand that our snakes are not domesticated, therefore we do not allow them to run loose.

These uncontrolled animals are KILLING her livestock. To me, this is no different that wild dogs or some other predatory carnivore running loose. Although they may be someone's pet, they have been allowed to run wild long enough that they are not truly domesticated at this point, but somewhere between feral and domestic.

BWW already has enough on her plate - she does not need vet bills added to her already tremendous burden. It sounds like the odds are stacked against her in this matter, and if she has to take matters into her own hands, so be it. I think if the owner gave a hoot they would take measures to rectify this situation.

It may be only a matter of time before those dogs cause injury to a human.

I understand that we don't all agree with the points put forth on this post, but that's ok - this is just a difference of opinion and not a wrong vs. right issue....let's try to keep it civil.
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Domingo · #17 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 08:41 PM

I love all animal and personally I think shooting the dog would be a sad thing, and should be reserved for last resort. That said, I have lived in the boonies my whole life and this kind of thing is fairly common. Most farmers I know would not hesitate to shoot a dog causing damage to their livestock or livelihood. They would warn the owners repeatedly, because most of them have dogs themselves, and they understand the dog is just doing what dogs do.
If you are going to feel terribly guilty, then don't shoot it. If you just want revenge, then don't shoot it. If you have no other options, then you must do what you have to do.
However, the most important things to remember here is that you still have to live next to your neighbor. If you kill the dog, you could definately end up in court or kick off a major feud. You could cause your neighbor to do something the likes of which you can't even imagine right now. He could kill your dog, trash your car, kick your #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&, threaten your life, etc. These things have all happened. And just because the criminal law is on your side doesn't mean diddly squat in a civil trial.

I would try hauling him off first, unless he is unhandleable (is that a word?). I dont' know what kind of guy your neighbor is but when his dog dissappears he will know what happened to him.

The difference between snakes and dogs is most people kill snaked because of irrational fear and ignorance. The dog here is causing damage, most snakes are just chillin'. Most farmers would also kill a snake that's eating chickens, but that's another can o worms.
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Domingo · #18 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 08:47 PM

P.S. If you have the money, take this to court. They can force your neighbor to chain is dog, and probably get your reimbursement for vet costs, lost chickens, etc. The key is their dog is coming onto your property, the farmers I mentioned in the last letter would absolutely seek compensation if they knew whose dog was causing the trouble.
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trinitywolf · #19 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 08:52 PM

I'm being civil Let's not confuse enthusiasm with contempt. Would you say it was ok if an 8' boa got loose and ate her chickens? Would you advicate walking up to it and shooting it in the head? I seriously doubt it. I agree that something should and must be done. I disagree that shooting the dog is an acceptable answer.
Also, I think this is a wrong vs. right thing, we just disagree as to what is wrong and what is right.
The thing I see is that you want to punish the "stupid" owner for letting their pet run loose. The analogy to a snake is certainly comparable as either animal is one that is just following predetory instinct, and doing what animals do. It is not malicious, no matter how much it hurts you or another being. My real point is that there are other viable options here, and I encourage her to take them as opposed to a fued like the "the Hatfields and the Macoys".

I made a point to say that I was not passing moral judgement on anyone schatzie, and that included you. If you really believe that my post was not civil, I would like for you to point out where I was rude so that I can apologize I never said anyone was a bad person, only that actions were. That is my judgement of those actions, and they will stay that way. I think the majority of people on this site are great, and I don't want to start a war, but I will voice my opinion, and in the end, if we must, agree to disagree.

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Blackwidow_woman · #20 (**permalink**) 02-08-2003, 09:10 PM

[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img] well put it this way i dont have the cash to take them to civil court as thats what the dog catcher and the cops told me i would have to do and even then i have a poor case even though i got tapes and proof because our county just dont care.. Just like the coyotes, we dont shoot them unless the go after our live stock or kill them.. I cant get close enough to the dog or other wise he would have went for one long truck ride to no where,, and as far as our dog pounds or humane societies you can for get that they wont take a dog unless you pay them to or own the darn thing,, even then its a hassle...the laws up here in the woods in this county work way diffrent then other places.. the other dogs they had they got rid of because they bit a few kids.. now this one is not fixed and i know its his instint to fight and be alpha but hey he comes over here to eat my dogs food and get into things i have in the barn why because hes not fixed and he wants to roam also its not fair i have mine on a chain or in a fenced in pen and theres runs free.. yes i blame the owner and yes i also blame to stupid dog he chewed up my defensless dog,, now if i would turn my mastiff lose wow he would have been lunch for Tank. There dog has not had any shots or wormer and god knows what he spreads around as dogs can be carriers.. I train and work with a lot of dogs and still this is not a easy thing to just work with as i have gone about all avinews to fix the prob... Do you all have the money to go thru court and waste your time to here a judge say oh well deal with it.. NO! i sure dont... i love all animals but as last resort your darn right i will protect my animals welfare and shoot the dog.. that dog kills the wildlife around here and chases the deer and who knows how many other things he has attacked.. he even got hit by a car and they still didnt put him on a chain.. how hard is it for them to buy a darn chain... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img] one other thing if it was my kid that got hurt by this dog how do you think i would feel then????

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