The Useless Large Thread... Part II - Page 417

noonan768 · #**8321** (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 05:58 PM

Me.
Never cared for them.

Boaman79 · #**8322** (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 08:26 PM

Looks like we are gonna see some snow tonight!!!!! Havent seen any since 93! I hope so for my girls!!

Mike Schultz · #**8323** (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 10:59 PM

Took a pic of my spider bite... you guys win... lol.
This is day 3... And also a pic of the culprit lol!

blueboykennels · #**8324** (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boaman79

Looks like we are gonna see some snow tonight!!!!! Havent seen any since 93! I hope so for my girls!!

Not sure what part of Southern Alabama your in but it's sleeting in Biloxi right now and headed your way. They were saying that we could expect 2-4 inches of snow tonight and tomorrow. Just crazy, haven't seen snow in years!

Boaman79 · #**8325** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 12:16 AM

Awesome! I always wanted to be bit by a taratula! what did it feel like? what provoked it??

snakehooked · #**8326** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 12:48 AM

The particular one he was bitten by is provoked by being alive, they're mean and fast.

Mike Schultz · #**8327** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 04:21 AM

I provoked it by trying to move it from an easily escapable deli cup to a more secure one :P

SUAD · #**8328** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by banned

Took a pic of my spider bite... you guys win... lol.
This is day 3... And also a pic of the culprit lol!

Psssh....I see no bite. Pics of said spider inflicting said bite or it never happened.

You don't happen to have any Indian Ornamentals, do ya? Those guys are a joy to work with.

Rachel SS · #**8329** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 07:36 PM

I just spent $150 on rats.

they all have bigger bellies to feed. my little babies are growing up. Rodent pro orders used to cost me about $80

snakehooked · #**8330** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:08 PM

I went and bought feeders for most of the crew today and got two free fruit fly cultures for my itty bitty Hemidactylus. I love that shop, I'm always leaving there with something free.

Nittany221 · #**8331** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:16 PM

So random spider question...do they not need much exercise since they're in such small enclosures? I mean snakes are at least relatively friendly, personable and kinda cuddly. But spiders that bite? I just can't wrap my head around them as pets...

SUAD · #**8332** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:19 PM

Eh...unlike snakes that bite?

Nittany221 · #**8333** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:24 PM

Snakes generally have a reason to bite, even if that reason is that they've been abused and are fear aggressive. From the comments, apparently this spider just hates everyone in general. And I've never been bitten by a snake that I didn't justly deserve. And nippy babies don't count IMO, as they don't know better but generally tame down quick with gentle and consistent handling. Do spiders do the same? I don't know...

SUAD · #**8334** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:26 PM

Certain species of spiders have way calmer dispositions than others, for sure. And how many snakes have you had, because I've had PLENTY that bite without reason.

You can say it's out of "fear-aggression", but the same would apply to spiders as well, as they're only trying to defend themselves.

Nittany221 · #**8335** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:41 PM

I guess my point was, why perpetuate the myth that reptiles are these evil man eating beasts? Isn't the sensationalism of the big snakes and their "evil ways" what got us into this legal mess in the first place? Is having an animal that bites for no reason enjoyable as a pet or worth it when it jeopardizes the whole industry? I pick my snakes for temperament and health and "prettiness" last. But that's my own personal feelings. If it's a rescue and it's been abused then everything should be done to help it learn not to fear people but it should be respected and handled by professionals or humanely euthanized if it is overly aggressive. I don't think it needs to be given to any local shmuck that thinks they can "tame the beast" or doesn't care that it tries to kill them when they handle it. However, I just don't see the point of having mean pets. The same goes for cats, dogs, hamsters, fish whatever. Not just reptiles. If it's malicious and there's no chance of it changing then I don't see it's value as a pet. I am not sure of snake genetics as I am not a breeder, but I would imagine like most animals temperament is at least a little inherited. I wouldn't want to breed evil snakes hoping to get nice babies. If we can weed out the less desirable temperaments and stop saying, oh it's a snake it doesn't know any better then we might be able to convince the public that they are something we should keep around for the next generation to enjoy as pets. But if someone who didn't know anything about snakes read your comment about how you've had plenty of snakes that bit for no reason they aren't going to be sympathetic to the "pro-snake movement". I just feel like half the reason we are losing the battle is because people in the industry aren't taking it seriously and we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now...sorry.

Rachel SS · #**8336** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:48 PM

They aren't dogs dude. Snakes are instinctual wild animals that bite for no reason.

Why would you euthanize a snake because it bites? That's seriously absurd.

And snakes just... they aren't pets like cats or dogs. Think of them as more of a living hobby.

Convincing the world that an animal with a tiny brain that only tells the animal to sleep, eat, fight, or run is not going to change because you want it to.

EricIvins · #**8337** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nittany221

I guess my point was, why perpetuate the myth that reptiles are these evil man eating beasts? Isn't the sensationalism of the big snakes and their "evil ways" what got us into this legal mess in the first place? Is having an animal that bites for no reason enjoyable as a pet or worth it when it jeopardizes the whole industry? I pick my snakes for temperament and health and "prettiness" last. But that's my own personal feelings. If it's a rescue and it's been abused then everything should be done to help it learn not to fear people but it should be respected and handled by professionals or humanely euthanized if it is overly aggressive. I don't think it needs to be given to any local shmuck that thinks they can "tame the beast" or doesn't care that it tries to kill them when they handle it. However, I just don't see the point of having mean pets. The same goes for cats, dogs, hamsters, fish whatever. Not just reptiles. If it's malicious and there's no chance of it changing then I don't see it's value as a pet. I am not sure of snake genetics as I am not a breeder, but I would imagine like most animals temperament is at least a little inherited. I wouldn't want to breed evil snakes hoping to get nice babies. If we can weed out the less desirable temperaments and stop saying, oh it's a snake it doesn't know any better then we might be able to convince the public that they are something we should keep around for the next generation to enjoy as pets. But if someone who didn't know anything about snakes read your comment about how you've had plenty of snakes that bit for no reason they aren't going to be sympathetic to the "pro-snake movement". I just feel like half the reason we are losing the battle is because people in the industry aren't taking it seriously and we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now...sorry.

It's not a myth........Some are evil, man eating beasts.........

Off my soapbox now.........Resume uselessness..........

Oh, I hate that word "Pet".........Can't really say why, but I do........I just do......

Nittany221 · #**8338** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 09:03 PM

I didn't say they don't bite and that getting bit often isn't part of the trade. But any truly aggressive animal should be handled by professionals or not at all IMO. And treating them like living hobbies is part of what has gotten us into this legal mess. Animal rights people (not that I condone it) are not willing to accept the title of a living hobby and to most people snakes are pets or pests. Most of the industry is a pet trade and in the pet trade having aggressive animals is counterproductive. I'm not saying that all snakes need to be cuddly and friendly enough to let your toddler play with, that's stupid. But I am saying that they shouldn't just attack because you looked at them the wrong way. The percentage of snakes that bite for no reason is low in comparison to the rest of the snakes that don't and I personally wouldn't want to own a snake that is that aggressive as mine are pets. The average person should not be handling aggressive snakes, don't you agree? People readily buying burms and retics then getting mauled, or their children getting killed or them dumping them in the everglades is why we have all the problems we have. I'm not saying you need to euthanize every snake that bites, but if one is completely uncontrollable then I think it might be an option. I also think that the larger and more aggressive snakes should have more restrictions on how they are bought and who can own them. Like the burms, retics, anacondas, venomous, etc. If burms and retics were not sold in pet stores then there is solid evidence that the problems in FL wouldn't even be a problem. There is evidence that snakes in pet stores escaping in natural disasters put hundreds if not thousands of large snakes into that ecosystem. And do you think that more of the ones that were dumped by bad owners came from pet stores or from responsible breeders? In my experience, breeders make sure that people know the risks of buying these giant snakes and give them enough knowledge and help to (hopefully) successfully care for them throughout their lives. Pet stores just want to make money off them. I have thought all along that the pet store industry should be targeted for the snake problems and not responsible breeders. Kind of like the fact that puppy mill breeders have pretty much ruined the purebred dog industry. Pet stores that sell puppy mill dogs have made this possible. Fight the pet stores, not each other. If it takes more legislation on who can breed the big snakes, and more restrictions on purchasing them to be able to keep them then I'm all for it. I'm not all for everyone saying well everyone should be able to have one, because time has shown that not everyone can handle or care for a large snake whether it's a biter or not.

snakehooked · #**8339** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 09:04 PM

Some snakes bite, it's what they do. Otherwise I wouldn't have to use hooks on hots. Some are just better than others. Same with spiders, some are realy nice docile critters while others are fast and aggressive. Most of my animals aren't "pets", they're in my collection because they behave a certain way or have a particular look. It doesn't mean I love them any less, it just means I don't pick them up.

snakehooked · #**8340** (**permalink**) 02-12-2010, 09:09 PM

Resuming uselesness...

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