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06-28-2008, 02:32 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
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This recent case was concerning the city of DC regulating (to the point of a defacto ban) the possession of most firearms in the home. Such a ban is clearly unconstitutional and the court just reaffirmed that.
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Carrying or possessing firearms in public, concealed or not-concealed, is a whole other issue and this court case doesn't really address that. I think you'll see in future rulings and regulations that possessing weapons anywhere and anytime you like is not something expressly granted in the constitution (as well as the possession of some types of weapons).
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J. Scalia made that clear in the majority opinion. The prohibition of possession by felons or mentally disturbed persons is a reasonable restriction. The more important factor in the opinion is the codification of "the ancient right of self-defense." This is the first time SCOTUS has acknowledged in a written opinion that individuals have a right to defend themselves (with firearms in this case). That's going to have ripples on the CCW issue, as a persons' right to self-defense is defense of his/her person, not just his/her real estate. So, NY City's Sullivan Act, which keeps all but the rich, famous, and politically connected from carrying will not stand up to the right to personal self-defense.
Baby steps. Baby steps. "The right to K.A.B.A. shall not be infringed."
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06-28-2008, 02:57 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
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.... NY City's Sullivan Act, which keeps all but the rich, famous, and politically connected from carrying will not stand up to the right to personal self-defense...
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That's correct, that act and others like it probably now have shorter life-spans.. the setting up of a set of laws and standards which create a sub-set of citizens that enjoy rights or privileges not available to everyone is odious under our Constitution.
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This recent decision affirms people's rights in their homes and other private spaces. The long term result of this ruling will be to draw a line between those rights and other gun-law issues such as the so called right-to-carry. The court gave a strong sign that the right to own arms is going to be defended. Hooray! I predict that this will ultimately result in a strengthening of laws and regulations prohibiting the day-to-day carrying and/or displaying of firearms and other deadly items in the public domain.
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I am a strong advocate of the right to own and use firearms. I do not want to carry a gun in public.. I do not want others carrying guns in the general public domain. An America where everyone is locked and loaded is an ugly idea that I completely reject... another ugly concept is an America where individual Supreme court justices are rockstars that publicly promote their decisions and denigrate court rulings they disagree with.. you can get a look at a society like that right now.. Pakistan.. in fact they wander around in public there with all types of weaponry.. a Model for America?
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That's a small sample of my opinions on these and other important subjects.
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06-28-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
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Originally Posted by RioBravoReptiles
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That's correct, that act and others like it probably now have shorter life-spans.. the setting up of a set of laws and standards which create a sub-set of citizens that enjoy rights or privileges not available to everyone is odious under our Constitution.
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This recent decision affirms people's rights in their homes and other private spaces. The long term result of this ruling will be to draw a line between those rights and other gun-law issues such as the so called right-to-carry. The court gave a strong sign that the right to own arms is going to be defended. Hooray! I predict that this will ultimately result in a strengthening of laws and regulations prohibiting the day-to-day carrying and/or displaying of firearms and other deadly items in the public domain.
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I am a strong advocate of the right to own and use firearms. I do not want to carry a gun in public.. I do not want others carrying guns in the general public domain. An America where everyone is locked and loaded is an ugly idea that I completely reject... another ugly concept is an America where individual Supreme court justices are rockstars that publicly promote their decisions and denigrate court rulings they disagree with.. you can get a look at a society like that right now.. Pakistan.. in fact they wander around in public there with all types of weaponry.. a Model for America?
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That's a small sample of my opinions on these and other important subjects.
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IMO you went a little far with the "...ugly idea..." and the comparison to Pakistan. There are two states that have always allowed the right to carry a handgun without a special permit. It hardly looks like Pakistan in either.
I carry every day in public and have for years. It's not for everyone and not everyone does even in the two states that allow 'everyone' or the states that have right to carry for that matter. Why anyone wouldn't want trained and willing people to carry their handguns is beyond me. I have no desire to intervene in any way, shape or form; nor would I unless it was life or limb on the line.
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06-28-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
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Originally Posted by RioBravoReptiles
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That's correct, that act and others like it probably now have shorter life-spans.. the setting up of a set of laws and standards which create a sub-set of citizens that enjoy rights or privileges not available to everyone is odious under our Constitution.
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This recent decision affirms people's rights in their homes and other private spaces. The long term result of this ruling will be to draw a line between those rights and other gun-law issues such as the so called right-to-carry. The court gave a strong sign that the right to own arms is going to be defended. Hooray! I predict that this will ultimately result in a strengthening of laws and regulations prohibiting the day-to-day carrying and/or displaying of firearms and other deadly items in the public domain.
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I am a strong advocate of the right to own and use firearms. I do not want to carry a gun in public.. I do not want others carrying guns in the general public domain. An America where everyone is locked and loaded is an ugly idea that I completely reject... another ugly concept is an America where individual Supreme court justices are rockstars that publicly promote their decisions and denigrate court rulings they disagree with.. you can get a look at a society like that right now.. Pakistan.. in fact they wander around in public there with all types of weaponry.. a Model for America?
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That's a small sample of my opinions on these and other important subjects.
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Have a great day!
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First off I going to aree with both of you, How ever, there are some counrties out there who have made it illegal for Not owning a gun in a home.
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If everyone in the would buy at least one gun weather it be a rifle, shotgun and leave it in ready reach, there would be a great drop in home break in's, and rape, or any other crime.
even if the person does not believe in guns.
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06-28-2008, 04:22 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
The concealed carry issue is one of simple math. The places with higher rates of concealed carry licenses issued have lower rates of violent crime.
There are hundreds of thousands of people carrying concealed without incident everyday, and there are virtually no (statistically insignificant) incidents of gun violence/crime committed by people with legally issued concealed carry licenses.
The "it will turn into the wild west" theories have not proven themselves to be true.
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06-28-2008, 04:25 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
Ranger, What are you views to other countries makeing it law to own at least one gun in every household?
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06-28-2008, 04:40 PM
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Re: SCOTUS does good..
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Ranger, What are you views to other countries makeing it law to own at least one gun in every household?
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I believe a few things in regard to this.
1. I believe in "American Exceptionalism." Our systems of government, and basic understanding that the power resides with the people and not the government is more or less unique in the world. Most other countries reserve all power to the government and grant (and remove) certain privleges to the people as they will. We believe in government of the people, by the people, for the people. That's why our system was based on citizens briefly serving in government and then going back to the farm, or the store, or the factory. So, I don't think other governments and countries are analogous to the USA.
2. I believe that our 2nd Amendment is the "reset button" of American government. You have no guarantee of 1st Amendment rights (or 3-10 for that matter), without the inherent power of the people to revolt against a tyranical government, and an unarmed citizenry is really a peasantry.
3. Almost Finally, I believe in well vetted statistics and history. That means that the evidence shows that unarmed citizens in "western" style governments do not remain free and suffer victimization by neighbors who disregard any and all laws. Armed citizens make lousy victims. Unarmed citizens are oppressed peasants in waiting.
4. Finally, trained, responsible, law abiding people generally don't do anything with firearms that causes problems or concerns for others. That's why we draw from the general populace for our police and military personnel. Most folks are responsible and trustworthy. Those who aren't will do bad things no matter what the laws are.
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