Hey everybody
This is not a flame war, or a bash against anybody. I get several emails per week asking me what to use to get rid of
mites, and to get my opinions on certain products, and my opinion on certain people who use these products. I am not naming any names of any one, so don’t ask- this is just my answers and my opinions. If I reach some one who may make a mistake, then all is good.
I will be posting this on
http://www.bobclark.com, and
http://www.redtailboa.net because most of the questions came from people who passed by the site that are new to snake ownership and need advise and some who are members. Still- no names!
Yes, it is an old issue indeed, but one that is destined to be with us because of: 1. poor husbandry practices, 2. people giving advise on their herp pages thinking their info is right because it “worked or works” for them, and the new owners who never do in-depth research who believe it, and 3. a general case of poopy happening- because it happens to the best of us whether we like it or not.
The issue:
mites, and how to control them. The argument: black night spray, and other chemicals.
People ask me what I think, why, I don’t know….. but that’s not the issue. They ask my opinions on the subject, so here it is.
They ask about black night because every one seems to be using it, but there are those who swear against it- I am one of those.
“why do I swear against it….”
Black night is a very dangerous chemical that is being used by unsuspecting people because they think it is safe because “their breeder or friend says it worked for them…”, and as we all know in herpetoculter- there are breeders everywhere you look, and swarms of them popping up every year. There are even more, who are totally unqualified on several levels who spout and spew all sorts of wrong info that hide under the guise of anonymity. It’s the internet, a lot of these people are adults and/ or children of various ages, who have done little research or no research at all. Most have little than a couple of years experience, with only 1 animal, and quote any website they were told to look at with out regard as to whether the content is true or not.
I have a question: has any user of black night read the can and its contents??? I would think they didn’t because they still use it, and they do so in a horrible manner!!!
Did you know that it is against FEDERAL LAW to use chemicals in the wrong way- it says it on every can of everything….go take a look for your self.
Black night it self says that it is irritating to the skin, and eyes, and is harmful if swallowed!!! It also says DO NOT SPRAY ON ANIMALS!!! It actually says these things right on the can itself, by the company who made it!!! Why would anyone be stupid enough use it reptiles??? Not only that, why would anyone use it in the manner that they do???
(If you don’t know, there are morons who say to spray directly on the animal- even place them in tubs or leave them in their enclosures and completely fog them in!!!!)
The black night people tell you themselves, directly on the can, not to use it in these manners!!! Why is still being done??? Because reptiles have different skin than us, then why does it burn their skin??? Why does it cause all kinds carcinomas??? Have you seen what happens when an animal is deprived of breathing- then why would you listen to somebody who says to completely fill and fog the air with these chemicals???
Ask yourself another question right now??? Why are the people who are using black night always use it- because it doesn’t offer any protection! The pryrethroids in it only last 25-30 minutes. Then if a
mite comes along and lays an egg- its an automatic reinfestation!!!
I don’t think they looked and read their can of black night, because they would realize they are in violation of federal law, a number of animal cruelty laws (depending on where you live), and lets not forget about our mother earth- we are all supposed to be worried about her if we are into animals right!!! I bet the black night users didn’t see that they are destroying the ozone layer! Black night has category 2 hcfc’s, that, if you didn’t already know, is destroying our PLANET.
(IF YOU DON’T THINK SO, GO DO A LIL’ READING…)
Did you know that black night will not get its approval by the EPA??? Did you know that there are a lot of products on the herp market that aren’t approved by the EPA???
Did you know that it is a crime to sell these chemicals that destroy our earth, and that when cought they can be fined up to $27,500.00 per units sold!!!???
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME, GO DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!
THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NOTHING SAYING THAT BLACK NIGHT IS A SAFE PRODUCT TO USE WITH REPTILES (OR SAFE PERIOD).
THERE ARE NO RESEARCH PAPERS, THERE ARE NO MEDICAL TESTING DONE BY IMPARTIAL PARTIES, NO SKIN OR ORGAN TISSUE BIOPSYS THAT SAY THIS IS A SAFE PRODUCT TO USE WITH REPTILES.
I TELL YOU WHAT IS HAPPENING: DEATHS, PERMANENT DAMAGE, CNS DISORDERS, ALL FROM BEING EXPOSED TO BLACK NIGHT. YES, THIS HAS HAPPENED AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. DID YOU KNOW THAT ONCE AN ANIMAL IS EXPOSED, IT DOESN’T DIE RIGHT AWAY, IT CAN TAKE MONTHS!!! THIS IS ANIMAL CRUELTY FOLKS!!!
Simple, if you don’t believe me- go check it out for your selves!! I don’t know why you would take the advise of some nobody (or even some of the big breeders out there) when the can says it self, right on it!! When the government of the UNITED STATES tells us that using chemicals not in the manner of which it was intended can be very dangerous!!! That’s why it’s illegal. Another reason is our mother earth- you’re killing her, also making it illegal, and morally wrong!!!
You know what, all I had to hear was how it was administered to animals and that made me sick enough to stay away from that. I have seen animals immediately go through some kind of cns disorder once treated. Why would people smoke them out like that!! I thought we were here to love and raise these animals.
I could go off anyways here in this argument, and its not only you black night users either that #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& me off- it’s the people who use anything under the sun to treat
mites, with the rid and what ever else is out there now. Its not only the chemicals, it’s the mixture of the chemicals that make things work. YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE USING EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, BECAUSE YOU’VE HEARD IT ON THE NET SOMEWHERE, OR BY SOME HIGHLY UNQUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL ARE GOING TO CREATE
MITES THAT ARE RESISTANT TO TREATMENT!!!
YOU THINK ITS BAD NOW, WAIT UNTIL THEY CANT DIE, AND THEY SPREAD ALL SORTS OF SICKNESS, INCLUDING I.B.D AND OTHER FATAL DISEASES!!!!!
I love and respect my animals way too much for this.
To those who think this cant happen, go do your research. Its called evolution, you are giving them exposure to many things, and they will eventually become tolerant.
Why do you think there is already a new strain of aids that’s drug resistant, new roaches being born that don’t die when sprayed (that’s why they keep making different formulas), why there is medicine resistant viruses and bacteria! All you people who keep using anti bacterial this, and anti bacterial that, are creating new super germs- but that’s another thread J!!!
Again I say, go do your research if you don’t believe me.
So that is my answer to why I refuse to use black night and refuse to buy animals from people who use it.
They say “so what”, but they don’t know me, they don’t know that I buy thousands of dollars of animals per year, they don’t know that I know thousands of people, and can reach more and more by using the powerful internet!!!! All animal collectors!!!!
Listen here people, you are the gunniea pigs, doing all these tests your self. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. There is no back log to look up. Herpetoculture is new!!! Its just the bright (or dark) beginning of this exciting field.
Instead of looking for fact, you look to who said what, so please listen to what I am saying!
I asked readers before to ask themselves a question about protection! Why would you use something that doesn’t work!! One can be on the outside somewhere and crawl back a lil’ while later- BOOM!!! Reinfestation- that quick!!! 25 minutes later!!!
Again, if you don’t believe me- look it up- the facts are out there!!
I personally use provent-a-mite! Why- it works excellent!!! Literally 1 time is all you need. It is also preventative!!! Like I asked before, why would you use something that doesn’t last! Provent-a-mite lasts 30 days people!!! That will definitely kill the
mites and their eggs who are waitin’ to hatch!!!!
Provent-a-mite has been tested over the years, it has been tested with skin and organ biopsys to ensure safety, and it is EPA approved!!! The best thing about it is IT FRIGGIN’ WORKS!!!! There is absolutely no other product on the market that works this way.
That’s it! BAM!! It is proven safe- if you want go and get all the information to this product, which was tested by impartial parties, had medical testing, go to the makers of this wonderful product!
http://www.pro-products.com
Another thing floating around the net, again by people who listen to other unqualified people, are saying that provent-a-mite is copying the ingredients to black night, or something about them having the same ingredients- THAT’S ALL BULL!!! LOOK AT THE CANS THEM SELVES AND YOU CAN SEE, WITH YOUR OWN EYES!!!!!
I talked with the makers of provent-a-mite my self, I did my research, I asked the guys at the local zoo who use it, and I asked others who use it!!! I even went to a pet shop in Nanuet and watched it being used!!!! All the animals were alive and healthy. I my self have been using it for 3 years on my crested, leopard, and tokay geckos, my tortoise, my iguanas, and the hundreds upon hundreds of snakes I had and have in my collection and the hundreds of rescues I used to do every year, not to mention all of my friends (before they got their own cans).
From reading this, it sounds like a commercial- but its really not. I am not affiliated or working for cash or products, with the wonderful folks of pro-products! I just use their products because they are the best at what they do and have.
If I could make a plug for them it would be to see for your self! Check out the tests being done, see about laws being broken, see about effectiveness!!! You’ll buy provent-a-mite too! I am also going to install their heating panels in all of my enclosures, because they are the safest and the most effective products on the market period!!!
http://www.pro-products.com
I know I sounded harsh, its only because I feel like I am fighting battle an uphill battle! I get so many emails per week saying they read something outthere, and this guy said this and this guy said that…… FOLKS, ANYONE CAN HAVE A WEBSITE OUTHERE!!! IT DOESN’T MAKE THEM PROFESSIONALS, OR EXPERTS ON THE SITUATION.
With all that being said- I don’t apologize for the “moron” comment! Its true- if you use a dangerous product with out reading about it- then it is your fault, but to the people out there who say its all right and say its good to use it, and let unsuspecting people use it- you are morons!!!!
As far as I’m concerned you all should be liable for the damage that occurred and that is continuing to occur.
Well, like I said, don’t believe me- go out and do your research- it has to be done anyways! You cant hop on any ole site and expect to find pro’s there. What you will find is most have little experience and just quote things they have heard somewhere before. Even on these very sites!
But like I said before, no names- I am just tired of answering the same questions over and over, to be dumped on sometimes.
If you like this, than good, do more research and pass it on, if you use black night, all I ask is for your animals sake, do the research and see whats up for your self! If you use provent-a-mite, you’re all good.
To all those who are thinking of switching to provent-a-mite, use it right! It will never let you down!!
If you disagree or what ever………lemme hear what you have, but I wanna see the proof! Just let me know where to look. I don’t wanna here, this guy says its good” or what ever………….if you want proof here, go to pro-products, talk to him and get what you need, look for the results on blacknight anywhere on the net.
My opinions based on my research, done by me, REAL HERPETOLOGISTS, and herpers around the world.
Good luck with what ever you do, and may your animal be safe.
Peace!
william
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