How many of you follow the 6 foot rule

[razeraze]

I think we are missing a ton of grey area here.

Charger was 6 feet 29lbs at 7 feet she was 35lbs at 8 feet 40 lbs and at 9 feet 37lbs (yes she lost 3 lbs when we put her in her new cage).

Here is the problem a 6 foot snake can be heavy and stronger than a 6' 10" 300+lb person I know I have a friend that big. Now once you get over 6 feet, rather it be 6' 5", 6' 11", 7' 2" what ever it is just easier to state a 6 foot rule.

No one here knows exactly how big of a snake they will not be able to escape, and finding out is not something we should all attempt. So in my opinion we should all error on the side of caution.

[Hairless]

Originally Posted by BoaFanatic17

just b/c i said i handle them "alone" doesn't mean i do it with nobody around. anytime i get any strong snake over 4 to 5 foot out there is ALWAYS at least one person around to help. and yes the large boa around my neck would be easy to get off. he is very strong, butd oesnt hold on that tight. plus everyone there including myself have had to help get a big snake off someone or something at one point when it had a i waana kill you death grip going. the five footer that turned my arm blue was a freakishly strong boa. it was probably twice as strong as the boa around my neck. anyone that says they can handle a 5-6 foot boa or python alone and get it off by themselves if something goes wrong is just cocky and ignorant IMO. the burms i had i never handled alone once they hit 4 foot after the incident i had. if they came out there were two of us getting em out and handling them the whole time b/c they were very aggressive. expect for one he was actually really tame and nice. there was always a second and sometimes a third person around tho when he came out. until he hit the 8 foot mark. then we handled him in pairs b/c of how strong he was.

Well, I guess I'm cocky and ignorant...by your opinion. I'm also perfectly able to handle a boa larger than 5-6 foot and even remove the "freakishly strong" five footer all by myself (as any competent handler can).

Thousands of people will view this thread....some of them will be knowledgeable enough to roll their eyes, but the kids will spread this crap as fact. The adults who are fearful of snakes and against this hobby may just use this crap to further their goal. It only takes one person to s t r e t c h reality to fuel the ignorant.

	In My Opinon IMO = In My Opinion and IMHO = In My Honest Opinion

[DaveDragon]

Originally Posted by BoaFanatic17

That's a good picture of what NOT to do.
I'll hang my 5.5ft 7.5lb Dumeril Boa over my shoulders but as soon as she starts to come across I get an arm in there and push her back out. She's incredibly strong. She's turned my head bright red just pushing on the sides of my neck. I'm much more careful now. She never comes out unless my wife is home and close by.

[TKR Reptiles]

Originally Posted by razeraze

I think we are missing a ton of grey area here.

Charger was 6 feet 29lbs at 7 feet she was 35lbs at 8 feet 40 lbs and at 9 feet 37lbs (yes she lost 3 lbs when we put her in her new cage).

Here is the problem a 6 foot snake can be heavy and stronger than a 6' 10" 300+lb person I know I have a friend that big. Now once you get over 6 feet, rather it be 6' 5", 6' 11", 7' 2" what ever it is just easier to state a 6 foot rule.

No one here knows exactly how big of a snake they will not be able to escape, and finding out is not something we should all attempt. So in my opinion we should all error on the side of caution.

the bad part is going to be when someone that thinks they can handle a 6 foot snake alone get proved wrong and gets killed. thats all we need. the simple fact is exactly what you said. NOBODY can predict what a snake is going to do or any other animal for that fact. and NOBODY can know exactly how strong one is until its too late.

Originally Posted by Hairless

Well, I guess I'm cocky and ignorant...by your opinion. I'm also perfectly able to handle a boa larger than 5-6 foot and even remove the "freakishly strong" five footer all by myself (as any competent handler can).
Thousands of people will view this thread....some of them will be knowledgeable enough to roll their eyes, but the kids will spread this crap as fact. The adults who are fearful of snakes and against this hobby may just use this crap to further their goal. It only takes one person to s t r e t c h reality to fuel the ignorant.

a competent handler would not take the risk. and it only takes one incompetent or cocky handler to get killed by a 6 foot or 7 foot snakes that the "know" they can handle to furhter fuel the hate toward this hobby, and i prey that you or any of the other people that do it on this board aren't the one that it happens to. people being cautious and not taking risk is what should show people that keepers arent just nut jobs that wanna play with snakes. they are smart people that dont take unneeded risks.

Originally Posted by DaveDragon

That's a good picture of what NOT to do.
I'll hang my 5.5ft 7.5lb Dumeril Boa over my shoulders but as soon as she starts to come across I get an arm in there and push her back out. She's incredibly strong. She's turned my head bright red just pushing on the sides of my neck. I'm much more careful now. She never comes out unless my wife is home and close by.

i agree. the only time any of us have let a snake of that size around or necks is when there are alot of people there just in case. i had that snake since it was about 7 weeks old. it was a very tame non aggressive snake. thats not saying it couldnt turn just like any other animal can.

[razeraze]

Originally Posted by Hairless

Well, I guess I'm cocky and ignorant...by your opinion. I'm also perfectly able to handle a boa larger than 5-6 foot and even remove the "freakishly strong" five footer all by myself (as any competent handler can).
Thousands of people will view this thread....some of them will be knowledgeable enough to roll their eyes, but the kids will spread this crap as fact. The adults who are fearful of snakes and against this hobby may just use this crap to further their goal. It only takes one person to s t r e t c h reality to fuel the ignorant.

The flip side to that is tons of new keepers will be reading this. Ones who will get complacent with their boas, and it could lead to just as much legislation. How many young 13-17 year old kids own boas? Do you think they are all competent keepers who have been put in these situations and know how to get out of them? I know when Charger almost put me out I was naive young and complacent. For me it is just better to encourage responsibility for the keepers who have never been in the "death grip" (and give advice like have 2 people present, spray bottles with vinegar, alcohol, bitter apple, unwrap the tail, etc......) than to say every keeper will be safe with a 6 foot boid, and no precautions need to be taken. We all have to learn somehow and the first time a kid gets wrapped, I would rather they had help than tell them they are not experienced enough to own potentially dangerous reptiles.
Of all the "guru" snake keepers I have talked to about this, the bar stool defense is new to me, perhaps you can explain some of the tricks to us less experienced keepers. I have never been wrapped around my neck or my torso. I have never had my arms pinned to my torso. I have had plenty of arm wraps and one neck squeeze, but I would love to know how more experienced keepers who do not have help get out of these situations.
And don't assume people who get wrapped and can't get out are just in-experienced.

Originally Posted by DaveDragon

That's a good picture of what NOT to do.
I'll hang my 5.5ft 7.5lb Dumeril Boa over my shoulders but as soon as she starts to come across I get an arm in there and push her back out. She's incredibly strong. She's turned my head bright red just pushing on the sides of my neck. I'm much more careful now. She never comes out unless my wife is home and close by.

Good to see someone else who had circulation cut off with the snake never being completely around the neck, I was beginning to think I was the only one.

[TKR Reptiles]

i would also like to know what you guys are going to do if a 7 foot snake decides to out of nowhere strike you and wrap your torse pinning you arms to your side with a bunch of coils wrapped around it. i have had that happen to me with a 14 foot burm. that was when i was young and didnt 100% understand the power and strength these animals have. i did however never get my big burms out without 2 other people there. it happened so fast that i couldnt blink. one second i had her tail in my hand with her body on the ground, and then then next second her mouth was locked onto my ribs and i was wrapped. so how do you get out of a full wrap when your alone? and please dont say that if your are careful or competent enough it will never happen. b/c it can to anyone at anytime.

[DaveDragon]

Originally Posted by BoaFanatic17

the bad part is going to be when someone that thinks they can handle a 6 foot snake alone get proved wrong and gets killed. thats all we need. the simple fact is exactly what you said. NOBODY can predict what a snake is going to do or any other animal for that fact. and NOBODY can know exactly how strong one is until its too late.

Well said!