Got a \"lil\" problem going on here atm...arghhh - Page 2

trinitywolf · #21 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 07:51 PM

Hey Lori...I am sorry to hear about this b/c I am sure that it is a hassle. I know that you have thinkgs under control there so I will have you in my thoughts and be wishing you the best. I do want to say though that this may have been a person who means well, but is sorely ignorant. It doesn't have to be someone who is malicious or vindictive (although that may be the case).
I think that it would do us all some good to remember not to get defensive when challenged by people about our reptiles. All that does is make you seem like you are trying to hide a wrong. If you take good care of your animals, and they are properly secured and housed then there is little reason to be upset over a challenge. I belive that if you are open and forthright, most of the time things turn out the way they should. The more you throw up your arms and cause a scene the more people look into things. Just my thoughts at the moment. I reserve the right to change them in 10 minutes. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Best of luck Lori! You will come out on top in all this.
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Constrictor_BO · #22 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 08:10 PM

It is a shame that so many children in this world that really need SocialServices help and that help never comes. At least not until it's too late. Now, here's Lori with them beating her door down just because some stupid idiotic person. Whomever that person is has to be someone that Lori has #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& off lately.. She has lived there long enough for people to know her and see she is well qualified to house these reptiles and not put her childern in danger.

Although many of us has had the same thought(2+2), I think we should hold off on making that kind of assumption here on the site. I am in NO WAY defending anyone. I do find it an awfully big coincidence that all this came up after certain things have went down. BUT lets take it easy until we find out if Lori can find out who it was that turned her in. I am sure she will find out eventually. If and when she finds out, then we can unleash the fury. If does turn out to be someone here in the reptile community, then I hope we all come together and run those responsible OUT. If it's someone in her neighborhood I would like to send them a letter of thanks for trying to destroy such a wonderful person.
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karibou · #23 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 08:26 PM

Lori,
I am absolutely stunned to hear this! Although I dont know you personally, I do know what an asset you are to the herp community, and I have no doubt in my mind that you're careful with your children around reptiles. I hope everything works out for the best for you! Let me know if I can help in any way. My boyfriend and I have rehabed several animals and if you need a temporary emergency home for anything until this blows over, just let me know.

Kara

ps. Hisba.. the answer to 2+2 was the first thing that crossed my mind as well..
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hisba · #24 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 08:28 PM

whoops! lol capt'n!! I need to learn to read the names and not just look at the avatars.. lol
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Shadrach · #25 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 08:34 PM

OK now peep's it's kind of hard to put the better part of 50 or so animals into one room! Lori keep's these animal's and the rest of her house in tip top shape! It's a shame that some people just have to mess thing up for other's! But I think you did the right thing Lori by telling them they couldn't come in with out a lawyer! Also someone who know's reptile's!

And also let's not go jumping to and conclusion's or pointing any finger's! The way I see it it could be anybody from local neighbor's to someone she #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& off!

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Rachel_BoaBabe · #26 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 09:29 PM

I know exactly what everyone is referring to when they say "2+2 together" And it really pisses me off that people who acted like my friends are doing this all because of what has been SAID and not PROVEN about me. Funny, I was thinking the same thing when I tried to come on here late last night and found my RTB account was all messed up. My thoughts were, "Gee, I must have #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& off someone with administrative abilities" And I e-mailed Natas about that last night, BEFORE this post was put up and I even knew abou it. I had no idea of this till I came to simply view some posts (since I can't post any without a working username) When I tried to log on, it said my password was invalid (something along those lines). So I tried every password I knew, nothing worked. So then I tried to use a function on RTB to recover a lost password. It gave me a new one, and the new one didn't work....hum...sounds fishy to me. So I went to set up a new account (I could have waited, but the references to me HAD to be addressed) and found I couldn't use my e-mail that is under my BoaBabe nic. Soooo I had to go through the whole registration process again using my Yahoo e-mail that I never use. I only have it for YIM. Finally I am here and can address this. What Lori fails to leave in, is this is not the first time Social Services has been involved. I can't remember what exactly it was all about, but there was a problem before where social services was involved and she was concerned about what they may do. I had actually offered to take in as many reptiles as possible for her and house them till things got straightened out. And Lori can attest to that. Everyone, please ask yourselves a question, why would I do that to her when she could do it right back? I may not be the most intelligent person in the world, but I'm not stupid either. Do you really think I would want to see that many reptiles out of a home? C'mon people, I'm not that bad. There is soo much so called "evidence" against me, yet I don't see it? I WANT TO SEE IT! I'm not posting people's e-mails of who I adopted animals to because I know how I would feel if someone publicly posted my e-mail and got me involved in this kind of thing without my permission. I will however, e-mail some of those people and see if they will come post on their own. I cannot however MAKE them post, and don't blame them if they don't want to get involved. As I have said in anther forum, anyone who would like to see how my reptiles are treated, and meet me for real, just let me know. I would be happy to show off my babies! I have nothing to hide, I'm just sick of playing these games.
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hisba · #27 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 09:41 PM

Um... just to be perfectly clear.. I DID NOT think 2+2 = BoaBabe/Rachael
I was actually thinking of someone who both you (boababe) and Lori had had problems with
in the past.. but as other people have pointed out, it's bad to jump to conclusions like that,
it could just be someone locally who saw Lori out with a snake and freaked.
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Rachel_BoaBabe · #28 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 10:00 PM

Your right, I did jump to conclusions, and I'm very sorry for that. I can't help but be defensive anymore considering every time I turn around I'm being accused of something else. I just wish someone would take me up on my offer to come here to see things for themselves.
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karibou · #29 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 10:28 PM

Rachel, I wasn't thinking you were the 2+2, I had someone else in mind on that one..

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Rachel_BoaBabe · #30 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 10:57 PM

Again, I'm sorry. Last I knew, there was only one person she and I both had a problem with. And from what I have last heard, they had "made up". But I don't know how true that is, so I'm really in the dark on that one.

Lori, I know you are eventually going to read this. And since you haven't replied to any e-mail I send, I'll put it here. I'm sure you think I do not care, but I do. You have #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& me off, but your husband, children and reptiles have not. I was planning on sending your boa back to you this week. But considering what's going on, I can either keep him here till things are worked out, or if you have someone else you would like me to send him to, I can do that. I just need a reply as to what you want me to do with him. Please be civil with me, I'm just thinking of your snake here.
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morti · #31 (**permalink**) 04-09-2002, 11:12 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, My thoughts are with Lori with this situation but I feel I need to address the side story that is unfolding here. This has all been covered before and Rachel, I don't think anyone was calling you out on this. I am glad to know that you didn't have anything to do with it and I deeply suspect that it was a concerned neighbor or somthing like that. Please let's keep personal issues personal. The forum doesn't need it. I'd hate to have to delete posts as I don't lock accounts.

-Morti.
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mirabelasunshine · #32 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 12:53 AM

OMG, RTB has been infected with the Mice on Ice disease. See ya, folks. It'll be a while before I'm back.

Lori -- sorry to hear about all this. I hope it works out for the best.

- MS
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Ritchie · #33 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 02:35 AM

I am a witness and can testify to the fact.....

I was asking what 2+2 equals.............

and people's email DID NOT say Rachel or Boababe.
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Countryboy · #34 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 03:05 AM

I hope evrything works out for you Lori.

This site is far from being comparable to mice on ice and I hope it stays that way.
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Constrictor_BO · #35 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 03:44 AM

I hate to see that it has came down to someone feeling the need to defend there name here. There were a lot more people on MOI involved in what went on over there than Boababe and "the other soap opera". Some of those people are not even a member of this site.

I just hope we all can chillout a little before this gets totally out of control and someone has to delete and lock out this thread.

Now.. lets keep this thread here to show our support for Lori.
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#36 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 04:06 AM

Ok..I'm ol atm and am going to address this first...
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>from : Rachel...My thoughts were, "Gee, I must have #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& off someone with administrative abilities" So then I tried to use a function on RTB to recover a lost password. It gave me a new one, and the new one didn't work....hum...sounds fishy to me. So I went to set up a new account (I could have waited, but the references to me HAD to be addressed) and found I couldn't use my e-mail that is under my BoaBabe nic. Soooo I had to go through the whole registration process again using my Yahoo e-mail that I never use. I only have it for YIM. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>
there have been problems at times with members and their screen names...I myself had some for a loong time even. With the function of the new password thing not working..sounds like it is a code/site problem. I am not gonna comment further on what you have "suggested".

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>From Rachel : Finally I am here and can address this. What Lori fails to leave in, is this is not the first time Social Services has been involved. I can't remember what exactly it was all about, but there was a problem before where social services was involved and she was concerned about what they may do. I had actually offered to take in as many reptiles as possible for her and house them till things got straightened out. And Lori can attest to that. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

No I can not attest to such being fact as related by Rachel. I have NEVER had involvement in my life from social services in reference to my kids with any complaints against me in any form. When stating something such as has been stated here in this quote..one should have their "facts" correctly expressed. About the only thing I can think of that has been misconstrued to the point that the "facts" would relate something consisting of incorrect information would be that in December of 01 I myself filed a complaint against my sister & brother in law in relation to their children with dss. For those of you that don't know..I have shared custody of their 2 kids and they are living in my home, and have been for a looong time yet, 2000/August. I had some major concerns over the children in relation to things involving their parents and what was or was not being done to/for the children by them. The actual fact was that I had a "concern/fear" of what might happen if they had to come into my home due to the reptiles that i keep here. We all know how people who are uneducated in reptiles can react possibly in such cases, especially if they are from something like a child services bureau. I'll leave my comments in regards to "those" people out. I may have mentioned such to Rachel nd she may have offered to help out like she said back then. Which is a different "association" with dss than what Rachel portrayed in the quote. BTW.. They did not need to come to where the children where when I filed that complaint back then and the issue was dealwith in a court of law and resulted in a restraining order against my BIL on behalf of the children as a result of my filing the complaint.

NOW..For this thread....

Thanx guys/gals [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I know who placed that complaint now. It was not anyone from the reptile world even. I found more info out on the exact complaint also today and they were told that I have snakes not in cages all over the home here and they are dangerous ones. The person who filed the complaint gave them my pc's phone line #..haha. Only a few people know that that phone line actually still exists and has a phone hooked to it..lmao. I have a separate line in my home for my pc even though I use dsl. The worker from dss actually called that line yesterday..lmao. Only calls that come in on that line are either wrong #'s or my sister's in laws ..hehe. Seeing that the complaint was issued against my sister in regards to her kids and they are the ones that know that # and not my other one that I actually use...You'd have to be a moron to not be able to figure it out is what I told the worker. They also have a major problem with the fact that I have the kids and they do not have any visitation with them...Before any of you "ride" me on a grandparents rights...there are many good reasons for such..including but not limited to abuse issues. Guess they thought that my reptiles would be a good avenue to attack me with in regards to the kids in their fight to get custody of them.
I beleive that they have failed in that area though now after today. The 2 people came to my home and did their "investigation"..I still have all my kids here and reptiles also. The person they sent that supposedly knows reptiles ...what can i say...
As they are pointing to the 50/50 cali king... they said ... " Is that a poisonous snake?" I think that says it all!
I actually wound up giving them a sort of reptile education thing while they were here..both of them [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] Of course having a 10 year old also explaining thermoregulation to them, and using that word also, let them know that the kids are educated on the reptiles and proper care / handling etc. lmao [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]
They left saying that they didn't have any problems or concerns with the reptiles being here in my home with the kids...locked cages and we also went over the rules that are in place with children and handling reptiles too. I should find out whether they intend to go any further on this issue by the week's end according to my atty.. Who feels that they prolly won't seeing as they left the kids here and didn't say anything about getting rid of the reptiles in order to "keep" the children.
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Countryboy · #37 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 04:24 AM

Lori thats great news glad teverything is working out. Also I think it is a great thing you are doing for the kids.
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<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Lori, I know you are eventually going to read this. And since you haven't replied to any e-mail I send, I'll put it here. I'm sure you think I do not care, but I do. You have #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& me off, but your husband, children and reptiles have not. I was planning on sending your boa back to you this week. But considering what's going on, I can either keep him here till things are worked out, or if you have someone else you would like me to send him to, I can do that. I just need a reply as to what you want me to do with him. Please be civil with me, I'm just thinking of your snake here.
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Your reply to the email you sent was posted on MOI..."someone" deleted that thread as well as many others on that site also. There have been no more emails from you since such time to me. Last I understood..you [ Rachel] Were to be sending my snake/boa back to me this week. Your post on this thread was made at 3:29pm....and i gather you are stating that as of such time you had/have not sent my snake out to me as yet then from your post here. I dunno about others but I prefer to send any reptiles out that are being shipped no later then tuesday if possible wednesday the latest. Such being due to the "human err" factor that could come into play and the package gets lost. this would be so that they reptile would not be sitting in a warehouse over the weekend should such happen. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] There is no issue with the snake being sent to my home on my part. Were there I would have made any contacts that needed to be done in refernce to shipments coming in here. Let me know what your intentions are with the shipping of my snake please.
Guys/gals...This is NOT moi forums and any problems on there should be left on there please.
[ NOT meant to be targeted to anyone in particular in a sense of a personal attack ..let's all just drop that moi thing off rtb please. Anyone involved in that should post on the moi forums not on rtb if it is relative to such TYIA [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] ]
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natas · #39 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 07:40 AM

Ok I think I should come in and say something about the whole MOI situation etc.

I personally only know a little about it. Heck I have never been to the MOI site and don't really see a point in going espically after all the crap I have heard.

Now if you have a problem with another member do not and I repeat do not bring it up on the forum here at RTB.net. If someone is slandering you let me or the moderator of the forum know and we will take care of it.

My intentions of running Redtailboa.net were to get away from crap like this. Why do you think I stopped visiting Kingsnake.com? It ended up being nothing but a bunch of a$$hole's screaming at newbies and others talking crap about others. My site is intended to bring people together on the education of Reptiles.

BoaBabe if you have a issue with Lori please do not go into over here. And if anyone has a problem with Boababe please do not go into over here also.

I know there are grey areas sometimes to things. For instance a person may have a snake for sale and post pics. User joeblow makes a comment this snake looks unhealthy. It should be set at that and nothing more. Thats a opinion so if the snake isn't sick and its a bad pic the poster should be able to post a reply stating the reason. We got to watch out for each other and thats why we have are allowed to voice our opinion. If I see something that looks like a rotten deal Im gunna say something. If its not a rotten deal then the person that's posting the deal should be able to justify the reasons...and if he can't then its good that we voiced our opinions....but I do not want this site to turn into a he is a crappy person or whatever.

Keep voicing opinions as they are wanted and needed...but don't get personal...and if you do keep it off the forum...we are not here for that. I can't be a dad all day and spank hands for people doing wrong.

I love working on this site and I intend to keep it friendly. Like I said that's why I started this site and I gurantee that if it gets out of hand I will not be apart of anything like that because its not what I want.

Anyway I know the site would never end up that way...but that's the worst thing that can happen...just everyone please understand the intentions here of why this site is so successfull and how we can keep it this way. Open knowledge is what I am about, knowledge should be free and that is my goal with this site and keeping a wonderful community of users working together to educate the world on reptiles. Everyone in here plays a very important role in this education process. So lets keep it nice...yes we will all have our differences here and there but lets keep them to a minimum and take them else where if they must go on. DO NOT DRAG REDTAILBOA.NET down.

BTW Im not going to point any fingers at anyone with issues. And I don't want any emails with he said she said or whatever. Like I said Im not a daddy we are all mature enough to handle things on our own. And just as a example Lori handled this very well. I think I understand why BoaBabe posted this, but like I said next time please do not come to the forum for this. I know you emailed me but I didn't get the email until I was at work and I am very busy at work and don't have time to respond to the 100+ emails I get a day from the site as fast as I want.

ANd on the issue with you Lori. I'm so glad to hear that everything seems to be ok! That was a big scare...mainly because we all know how bad some people can react to reptiles. If everything goes well then we can just put this in the books as a victory for reptile keepers! Finally a acceptence when most of the time cities and states are trying to ban reptile [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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Joltman · #40 (**permalink**) 04-10-2002, 08:05 AM

nicely put shane I agree that this site is the bestreptile forum I have run across. I very rarely read the ks forum due to all the bs that goes on there. there are time and places for everything. this was neighter the time nor the place. It is a given that not everyone will get along with everyone else. We are adults here and we should act accordinly. this was a thread to help someone through a not so pleasnt time. Now I know the ppl involved and still like them and in no means am attacking at this point, but I think it could have been done at another time and place.Noone ever said you have to like eveyone you meet. #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& there are a few ppl I do not like here but keep it to your self and not on the forums please. I am glad that this turn out the way it did for you Lori. Rachael sorry if you get offended when you read this ,but it needed to be said. There have been a lot of things said against you and I can understand you being upset but please handle it in a fashion other then this please.
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