ATTN: GIBSON......

#1 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 12:58 AM

HEY ..Can ya stop replying on ALL them oooooold posts/threads here on the site please?? Your messing up the forums by doing that. Please look at the dates of the last posting on a thread before posting on it.. If it is older than like 60 days...DO NOT place a reply post on it PLEEEEASE. TYIA

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XzyluM · #2 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:13 AM

Hehe Lori, annoying eh? I started to post this but waited for a mod to come through [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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eddie · #3 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:18 AM

Lori!
It's called retro!

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eddie · #4 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 02:20 AM

Even simpler.
I deleted ALL of the new replys.
Gibsons, heathers, sophias, Xzylums and yours, Lori.

What ticks me off a lil bit is when I spent 20 minutes deleting them all, I found even more from a few, including GIBSON on the same old posts that he drug back up!

Gigson, it's no problem surfing the site and learning, but after a years time or longer, ya gotta figure that the problems these people were having are most likely solved by a LOOOONG time!

All the others, just pay attention to the dates please!if its almost a year old or older, then it's prolly been solved by now.

If an old post still leaves you with questions, then go ahead and post a new topic and just give us the link to the other post.
Or ask some one in PM and give the link that way.
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eddie · #5 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 04:12 AM

bump.
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trinitywolf · #6 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 05:06 AM

If someone has something good to add then why not include it? Someone else may come along later and read that post and it helps them. I understand that things sometimes get difficult to keep up with, but if we don't want people replying to the post why not either delete them or lock them down? Most people really arn't going to look for the answer anyway, b/c they can just ask and get a quick answer (I'm guilty).
Keep in mind that I have not seen Gibson's post, although I have seem some old threads resurface, but thought little of it.
If we really want to avoid pointless post then taking out the counter would go a long way towards acheiving that goal. Until we do that there will always be people that post useless drivel. (Guilty again!) LOL
Am I way off base here?
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sophia · #7 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 08:10 AM

>Even simpler.
>I deleted ALL of the new replys.
>Gibsons, heathers, sophias,

I just find it funny that at 36 years of age, with a 14 year old daughter, two ex-husbands, nuclear construction, nuclear security and law enforcement under my belt that reading this thread tonight makes me feel like I'm back in high school.

Gee. Where's that list for the teacher? Go ahead, delete me.

Tay

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XzyluM · #8 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 12:06 PM

Actually the posts were over a year old and the replies were pointless such as: that's cool, I find that wierd, and I like your caption in your message. No need to go and pull up old posts and reply with nothing related to the issue at hand.

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eddie · #9 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:54 PM

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> >Even simpler.
>I deleted ALL of the new replys.
>Gibsons, heathers, sophias, </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

And Xzylums and Loris.

The only way to get the posts to drop back in was to delete ALL the posts that were placed on there.
And like X said, the majority of the posts that brought them back up were just like that!
that's cool, I find that wierd, and I like your caption in your message

That isn't adding info to a post, it isn't even relevant to anything at all.

Like I said earlier,
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> If an old post still leaves you with questions, then go ahead and post a new topic and just give us the link to the other post.
Or ask some one in PM and give the link that way. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

If cruising thru the older posts and a question arises, post a new one with the link as reference OR post on it with some valid questions.
That's cool, etc. isnt seen as anything but cluttering up all the new posts, which get buried quickly enough with other new posts anyways.
Just look in some of the forums and you will see posts with no replys all over due to being buried that way.
We spend a lot of time moving posts into other sections, not just because they need to be there, but also to get them the attention they need in some cases.
Example of that is here, New Boa, by gibson.
Look at the first reply on it.
It was buried in another forum and it was moved to get more attention.
It must have worked cause he got lots of replys on it since then.

My point is that with close to 3000 members, if we pull up old posts all the time with silliness, how many posts will get buried and never seen?
If it's a newbie and their first post AND gets buried, which I have seen plenty of, then when they check back in and find that after 2 weeks there has been NO replys on it, they get frustrated and chances are, they WON'T be back anytime soon, if ever.
Then the word of mouth from them can cost even more membership and good posts from others when they are told, 'Don't go there, you'll get ignored like I was'

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sophia · #10 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 07:03 PM

You know my problem with this is not with the fact that the old post bury new posts, I understand that completely having run a list myself and it is annoying, but that is what the locked function is for on this site or so I've been told.

My problem was with the 'naming' of names, I found it infantile and to call a 'newbie' out like that in front of 3000 people the way that Gibson was and then the rest of us, when it is nowhere in the rules when you sign up that you shouldn't reply to posts older than this date... well in all honesty I felt that it could have been handled better. It seems to me that a little power tripping is happening, that's my perspective. Like I said, I'm not concerned with being deleted, I try hard not to insult or flame anyone and I watch my language, so if moderators don't like what I have to say they can censor me, but then who is massaging whose ego with that function? But, if these are going to be the forum rules for posting, then it needs to be included in the faq that you shouldn't post to a thread over so many days old and reasoned why, rather than to drop an embarassing bomb-shell on a poster like was done unto Gibson. Why you felt it necessary to name us all, rather than just say that hey I'm ticked because I had to delete 200 posts that were made to expired topics and then drop us all a personal form letter email telling us about the 'new' rule is beyond me. Pure and simple with me it's a matter of etiquette and civility. Things like this cause flame wars and here a moderator has been the root of the problem.

On the subject of those posts, if they're not at the top of the chain I generally don't go searching for something to reply to, I am generally looking for the red folders which indicate something new has been said on a subject. To be quite honest, if I've got to not only look for a red folder, but look for a date as well, no more time than I have when I get on here because I'm on two other snakes lists and run a list server of my own, then I most likely won't post, it takes too much time and hassle and personally that's why I have a cable connection, because I want to speed up response time. So it would be easier for all involved if threads were set with a thirty day expire date and after that automatically locked.

Ah well but I'm not the moderator here am I, but of course where I am I don't feel the need to moderate people, only functions.

Tay
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#11 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 07:57 PM

Yeah, maybe naming of names wasn't the thing to do, but sometimes it takes that to get through to the "it'll never happen to me" "it couldn't be me" people.

I think it was more efficient than taking the time to hunt down e-mail addresses for 5 different people and send them an e-mail. The admins and moderators on this site, to my knowledge, are not paid and I'm sure, as you alluded to in your response above, you realize their time is at a premium, just as yours is.

Perhaps we should not wear our emotions and feelings on our sleeves and not be so touchy and they'd get stepped on less often.

A certain level of logic is assumed when making rules, otherwise everything becomes very government like.

I personally agree that threads over 60 days should "expire" and lock themselves to prevent this from occuring in the future. But then the person writing the code for this site (notice I didn't name names) we all know is very busy and that change isn't likely to happen any time in the near future.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program...
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eddie · #12 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 08:12 PM

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> My problem was with the 'naming' of names, I found it infantile and to call a 'newbie' </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but sometimes the best way to get someones attention is to use their name.
My name is Eddie and if I see it on a post, I am going to look at it.
Sometimes it just isnt feasible to email everyone, especially if they don't list an email addy.
Or any IMmers they use.
Plus with it posted, others can see what is going on and can learn from it as well.
If everything that was posted here was done only in email, then there would be no need for any forums on any site as everything could be done privately.

And no, we didn't call everyone out to cause embarrassment.

As for locking ALL the 30 day and older topics, that wouldn't be too feasible either since we do have topics that are ever lasting. It would be a royal pita to unlock all the topics that do have a potential to or are continuing. So it is easier to leave as many as possible open, which is why there are only a very few that have been locked.

We won't even bat an eye when an old topic is brought back from the past for good reasons, such as an unclear issue or if it raises more questions.
We are here to help out as much as we can, but when many are brought up in a short period of time with nonsense posts like was happening, then we will do what is needed to prevent it.
That does NOT mean locking the posts in hand either.

If I caused you undo pain and embarrasment, I am sorry.

I was merely trying to get ALL the follow up posters to realize the posts were brought up with nonsense and we were attempting to bury them again.

And I was a newbie once, I even pulled up a few old posts that were long resolved etc.
I had my name posted on a topic about it also.
I wasn't embarrassed by it at all.

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>Ah well but I'm not the moderator here am I, but of course where I am I don't feel the need to moderate people, only functions. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

That is an easy way to let any forum get out of hand.
Just like on other sites.
Which is part of the reasons that RTB was created.
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