ATTN: GIBSON......

#1 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 12:58 AM

HEY ..Can ya stop replying on ALL them oooooold posts/threads here on the site please?? Your messing up the forums by doing that. Please look at the dates of the last posting on a thread before posting on it.. If it is older than like 60 days...DO NOT place a reply post on it PLEEEEASE. TYIA

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XzyluM · #2 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:13 AM

Hehe Lori, annoying eh? I started to post this but waited for a mod to come through [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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eddie · #3 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:18 AM

Lori!
It's called retro!

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eddie · #4 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 02:20 AM

Even simpler.
I deleted ALL of the new replys.
Gibsons, heathers, sophias, Xzylums and yours, Lori.

What ticks me off a lil bit is when I spent 20 minutes deleting them all, I found even more from a few, including GIBSON on the same old posts that he drug back up!

Gigson, it's no problem surfing the site and learning, but after a years time or longer, ya gotta figure that the problems these people were having are most likely solved by a LOOOONG time!

All the others, just pay attention to the dates please!if its almost a year old or older, then it's prolly been solved by now.

If an old post still leaves you with questions, then go ahead and post a new topic and just give us the link to the other post.
Or ask some one in PM and give the link that way.
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eddie · #5 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 04:12 AM

bump.
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trinitywolf · #6 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 05:06 AM

If someone has something good to add then why not include it? Someone else may come along later and read that post and it helps them. I understand that things sometimes get difficult to keep up with, but if we don't want people replying to the post why not either delete them or lock them down? Most people really arn't going to look for the answer anyway, b/c they can just ask and get a quick answer (I'm guilty).
Keep in mind that I have not seen Gibson's post, although I have seem some old threads resurface, but thought little of it.
If we really want to avoid pointless post then taking out the counter would go a long way towards acheiving that goal. Until we do that there will always be people that post useless drivel. (Guilty again!) LOL
Am I way off base here?
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sophia · #7 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 08:10 AM

>Even simpler.
>I deleted ALL of the new replys.
>Gibsons, heathers, sophias,

I just find it funny that at 36 years of age, with a 14 year old daughter, two ex-husbands, nuclear construction, nuclear security and law enforcement under my belt that reading this thread tonight makes me feel like I'm back in high school.

Gee. Where's that list for the teacher? Go ahead, delete me.

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XzyluM · #8 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 12:06 PM

Actually the posts were over a year old and the replies were pointless such as: that's cool, I find that wierd, and I like your caption in your message. No need to go and pull up old posts and reply with nothing related to the issue at hand.

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eddie · #9 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 01:54 PM

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> >Even simpler.
>I deleted ALL of the new replys.
>Gibsons, heathers, sophias, </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

And Xzylums and Loris.

The only way to get the posts to drop back in was to delete ALL the posts that were placed on there.
And like X said, the majority of the posts that brought them back up were just like that!
that's cool, I find that wierd, and I like your caption in your message

That isn't adding info to a post, it isn't even relevant to anything at all.

Like I said earlier,
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> If an old post still leaves you with questions, then go ahead and post a new topic and just give us the link to the other post.
Or ask some one in PM and give the link that way. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

If cruising thru the older posts and a question arises, post a new one with the link as reference OR post on it with some valid questions.
That's cool, etc. isnt seen as anything but cluttering up all the new posts, which get buried quickly enough with other new posts anyways.
Just look in some of the forums and you will see posts with no replys all over due to being buried that way.
We spend a lot of time moving posts into other sections, not just because they need to be there, but also to get them the attention they need in some cases.
Example of that is here, New Boa, by gibson.
Look at the first reply on it.
It was buried in another forum and it was moved to get more attention.
It must have worked cause he got lots of replys on it since then.

My point is that with close to 3000 members, if we pull up old posts all the time with silliness, how many posts will get buried and never seen?
If it's a newbie and their first post AND gets buried, which I have seen plenty of, then when they check back in and find that after 2 weeks there has been NO replys on it, they get frustrated and chances are, they WON'T be back anytime soon, if ever.
Then the word of mouth from them can cost even more membership and good posts from others when they are told, 'Don't go there, you'll get ignored like I was'

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sophia · #10 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 07:03 PM

You know my problem with this is not with the fact that the old post bury new posts, I understand that completely having run a list myself and it is annoying, but that is what the locked function is for on this site or so I've been told.

My problem was with the 'naming' of names, I found it infantile and to call a 'newbie' out like that in front of 3000 people the way that Gibson was and then the rest of us, when it is nowhere in the rules when you sign up that you shouldn't reply to posts older than this date... well in all honesty I felt that it could have been handled better. It seems to me that a little power tripping is happening, that's my perspective. Like I said, I'm not concerned with being deleted, I try hard not to insult or flame anyone and I watch my language, so if moderators don't like what I have to say they can censor me, but then who is massaging whose ego with that function? But, if these are going to be the forum rules for posting, then it needs to be included in the faq that you shouldn't post to a thread over so many days old and reasoned why, rather than to drop an embarassing bomb-shell on a poster like was done unto Gibson. Why you felt it necessary to name us all, rather than just say that hey I'm ticked because I had to delete 200 posts that were made to expired topics and then drop us all a personal form letter email telling us about the 'new' rule is beyond me. Pure and simple with me it's a matter of etiquette and civility. Things like this cause flame wars and here a moderator has been the root of the problem.

On the subject of those posts, if they're not at the top of the chain I generally don't go searching for something to reply to, I am generally looking for the red folders which indicate something new has been said on a subject. To be quite honest, if I've got to not only look for a red folder, but look for a date as well, no more time than I have when I get on here because I'm on two other snakes lists and run a list server of my own, then I most likely won't post, it takes too much time and hassle and personally that's why I have a cable connection, because I want to speed up response time. So it would be easier for all involved if threads were set with a thirty day expire date and after that automatically locked.

Ah well but I'm not the moderator here am I, but of course where I am I don't feel the need to moderate people, only functions.

Tay
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#11 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 07:57 PM

Yeah, maybe naming of names wasn't the thing to do, but sometimes it takes that to get through to the "it'll never happen to me" "it couldn't be me" people.

I think it was more efficient than taking the time to hunt down e-mail addresses for 5 different people and send them an e-mail. The admins and moderators on this site, to my knowledge, are not paid and I'm sure, as you alluded to in your response above, you realize their time is at a premium, just as yours is.

Perhaps we should not wear our emotions and feelings on our sleeves and not be so touchy and they'd get stepped on less often.

A certain level of logic is assumed when making rules, otherwise everything becomes very government like.

I personally agree that threads over 60 days should "expire" and lock themselves to prevent this from occuring in the future. But then the person writing the code for this site (notice I didn't name names) we all know is very busy and that change isn't likely to happen any time in the near future.

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eddie · #12 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 08:12 PM

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> My problem was with the 'naming' of names, I found it infantile and to call a 'newbie' </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but sometimes the best way to get someones attention is to use their name.
My name is Eddie and if I see it on a post, I am going to look at it.
Sometimes it just isnt feasible to email everyone, especially if they don't list an email addy.
Or any IMmers they use.
Plus with it posted, others can see what is going on and can learn from it as well.
If everything that was posted here was done only in email, then there would be no need for any forums on any site as everything could be done privately.

And no, we didn't call everyone out to cause embarrassment.

As for locking ALL the 30 day and older topics, that wouldn't be too feasible either since we do have topics that are ever lasting. It would be a royal pita to unlock all the topics that do have a potential to or are continuing. So it is easier to leave as many as possible open, which is why there are only a very few that have been locked.

We won't even bat an eye when an old topic is brought back from the past for good reasons, such as an unclear issue or if it raises more questions.
We are here to help out as much as we can, but when many are brought up in a short period of time with nonsense posts like was happening, then we will do what is needed to prevent it.
That does NOT mean locking the posts in hand either.

If I caused you undo pain and embarrasment, I am sorry.

I was merely trying to get ALL the follow up posters to realize the posts were brought up with nonsense and we were attempting to bury them again.

And I was a newbie once, I even pulled up a few old posts that were long resolved etc.
I had my name posted on a topic about it also.
I wasn't embarrassed by it at all.

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That is an easy way to let any forum get out of hand.
Just like on other sites.
Which is part of the reasons that RTB was created.
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JuliusSqueezer · #13 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 08:51 PM

I dunno...I have mixed emotions on this...I think it's kinda silly to post a specific reply to a specific question to a specific person about a specific problem a year or so ago...especially when the specific person isn't even active here anymore....but sometimes posts about certain topics become hypothetical and the info gathered is still valid and useful to other people and I see no harm in raising old posts to add new found information on old problems....besides....I get sick of repeating over and over how to get rid of mites and how often a boa should go potty...bringing these back up may actually prevent a lot of us from having to answer what has already been answered.

Also...We all have our reasons and motives. If this is a RULE and is really messing up the forums....then why were all the old Boababe posts thumbtacked to the top and dug back up? We need to start acting more as a group and remember that we are all peers....moderators, admins, members alike...If there are rules or guidlines, then the admins and mods should help at least to set an example. If it becomes a rule to not dig up old posts...then that should go for everyone...but...I don't agree with this 100% as stated above. I do for the most part....but there is a time and place for some to resurface.
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sophia · #14 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 09:31 PM

>>Sorry, but sometimes the best way to get someones attention is to use their name.
>>My name is Eddie and if I see it on a post, I am going to look at it.
>>Sometimes it just isnt feasible to email everyone, especially if they don't list an email addy.
>>Or any IMmers they use.
>>Plus with it posted, others can see what is going on and can learn from it as well.
>>If everything that was posted here was done only in email, then there would be no need for any forums on any site as everything could be done privately.

I have to disagree but of course *G* as it would have been easy to post a new faq and draw everyone's attention to it by the subject line something like 'New RULES all members please READ'. They might not all read it, but then it's on them and then you could call them out on list or off. Another control method is to not allow new members without thier listing an email address, that's one of the things I do and I ask for a REAL ISP so that we don't get flamers from internet mail servers. I hated to have to do it, but it's another way to keep down the spam and flamers, if a person is using an internet ISP and wants a membership, then a long standing member must vouch for them before I approve access.

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>>And no, we didn't call everyone out to cause embarrassment.
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>>As for locking ALL the 30 day and older topics, that wouldn't be too feasible either since we do have topics that are ever lasting. It would be a royal pita to unlock all the topics that do have a potential to or are continuing. So it is easier to leave as many as possible open, which is why there are only a very few that have been locked.

I don't know, I think it was either you or another poster that stated that we should bring it up in a new thread if we found the subject locked, I think that was a good idea. Is there a function included in the software that would track dates on posts and then lock them automatically at say 60 or 90 days??? Or perhaps that could be an add in. It would eliminate confusion to be sure.

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>>We won't even bat an eye when an old topic is brought back from the past for good reasons, such as an unclear issue or if it raises more questions.
>>We are here to help out as much as we can, but when many are brought up in a short period of time with nonsense posts like was happening, then we will do what is needed to prevent it.
>>That does NOT mean locking the posts in hand either.

Well it leaves you open for nonesense if you leave them unlocked because kids are going to post things like "Wow and COOL", you know what I mean, they're kids.

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>>If I caused you undo pain and embarrasment, I am sorry.

I wasn't embarrassed as much as I was irked by it, and honestly it was all about the 'naming', I have no problem with the irritation with the old posts, I understand that. I really appreciate the apology though, you don't know how much that means to me, it shows me that you do care about the site and the people who frequent it and I am plesantly surprised by it. Thanks.

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>>I was merely trying to get ALL the follow up posters to realize the posts were brought up with nonsense and we were attempting to bury them again.

I don't remember making a nonsense post but if I did, I apologize.

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>>And I was a newbie once, I even pulled up a few old posts that were long resolved etc.
>>I had my name posted on a topic about it also.
>>I wasn't embarrassed by it at all.
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>>That is an easy way to let any forum get out of hand.
>>Just like on other sites.
>>Which is part of the reasons that RTB was created.

I think you misunderstand my methods because in 6 years of running lists, I've only had to truly 'moderate' one person and that was after about 15 emails from him just flaming everyone on the board after he was asked to state his case and debate his points reasonably. He was banned. Otherwise our rules are posted and clear and if I see a problem arising, I simply repost the rules again without calling attention to who I'm speaking to because they'll know who they are when they're the ones causing the rift. Also in moderation I limit posting lengths, of course this is a hair pulling pain in the behind, but with some folks you just have to. But thus far, the only problems I've had with posters on our lists I've been able to handle off list with the one exception. I just think it shows the person more respect to do so. Sometimes they'll leave because of it, but most times they're very reasonable and didn't realize that they sounded as bad as they did. Just a human thing.

Again however, I want to thank you for the apology, I really do appreciate the sense of fairness.

Tay

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sophia · #15 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 09:49 PM

>>Yeah, maybe naming of names wasn't the thing to do, but sometimes it takes that to get through to the "it'll never happen to me" "it couldn't be me" people.

And this is judgmental, as if you're assuming a position of superiority in 'judgment and capability' over others. Vanity, still my favorite sin.

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>>I think it was more efficient than taking the time to hunt down e-mail addresses for 5 different people and send them an e-mail. The admins and moderators on this site, to my knowledge, are not paid and I'm sure, as you alluded to in your response above, you realize their time is at a premium, just as yours is.
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>>Perhaps we should not wear our emotions and feelings on our sleeves and not be so touchy and they'd get stepped on less often.

Nice sarcasm although not exactly on par with my reply post, obviously you missed my point. As a side point, you should never seek quantity over quality and treating people disrespectfully is something more of us need to be working on getting out of our systems. And btw, just who do you think got stepped on? If that were the case there would have been 'NO' responses to this thread.

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>>A certain level of logic is assumed when making rules, otherwise everything becomes very government like.

Really? And that certain level of logic should be assumed and applied from the start with making rules and I think you just made my point, thanks. You have to remember too that as the site grows, rules will have to change to compensate.

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>>I personally agree that threads over 60 days should "expire" and lock themselves to prevent this from occuring in the future. But then the person writing the code for this site (notice I didn't name names) we all know is very busy and that change isn't likely to happen any time in the near future.

I have no doubt that Natas' time is at a premium but that's why you have a 'group of moderators and admins' assisiting, to help you do just that. Saving time dealing with old posts was the point of this whole exercise or so I thought, however I could be wrong.

Thanks for 'trying' to put me in 'my' place, however I don't have one, I'm a freelancer. It's all about tone Riley, it's not about emotions or feelings, it's about respect, if you don't get that, I can't help you. My point here is, that if you treat people like children they'll act like children, if you disrespect me I don't 'lay down' for it so that you can 'step on me', you've mistaken me for some whole other body if you assumed that were the case. I can be just as courteous and civil as the next person and I generally am, but I don't pucker.... thanks

This is where I'm ending my replies because my tone is becoming very uncivil and offensive, so if you've taken offense and want to tell me so, email me privately so it won't continue on the site. I'd like to respect the integrity of the site because it is a 'good' information source for poeple, and to anyone else who has taken offense, I apologize. As for this thread, I am finished debating what seems to be a topic that could no longer be construed as constructive and I don't think the moderators actually needed the tag team approach to handle little ol' me, I think they did just peachy with replies and to their credit, they did so with civility and respect.

Tay

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eddie · #16 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 09:52 PM

Sophia,
just out of curiosity, what groups do you moderate the list serves on?
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#17 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 10:47 PM

Ok.. This one went well i see lol.
Just for some clarification in relation to this thread. I am the one who started it.
I did go through the member listing and sent an email to Gibson [ I have access to the member actual emails from admin] , I also sent a pm too to the person. I sent them a request via both routes to ask them to not pull up the old posts [ now keep in mind that posts this was being done to were like pages back and like from April of 2001 even] and just post like.. "COOL" or such on the thread. I also placed a note on one of the posts that this was done on..hoping to catch the person's attn. that way even [ this is what eddie deleted of mine btw on the thread].
I di NOT receive any acknowledgement from Gibson that the person had received my email or pm at all.. AND I still have as yet to receive such even at this point now..Soo I posted here in this forum to try and get the person's attn ASAP. Obviously that did not even work. While trying to get the persons attn I was also moving through the threads that the person posted on in the manner that I was trying to get them to stop doing and deleting what they were posting even..ie "WOW" , "COOL" and "How is the snake doing now" or even.. "WHY don't you try.." type of posts that were being made on threads where the posting would have had no bearing what so ever at this late date from when the original post was made or the last post previous to the ones made by Gibson.
Soory if anyone became offended BUT I also am not just on this forum either myself.. At the same time I also had a new member on another forum trying to bash and slam around Bob Clark's name with absolutely no backing of any type of fact/evidenace/ or even what the problem was even...AND that was just the tip of what they were doing on the other forum I moderate. I also had two rescues come in atm and was dealing with their issues as well.
So ya see.. I was trying to catch a specific person's attn.. AFTER having tried other methods than a public forum posting to the person. I am one person and sometimes it takes a posting for the attn of a specific person to get their attn when all else has failed. I was not looking for replies from anyone else on this thread.. I just wanted to make sure that Gibson was getting my messages as there had been no reply and I could NOT sit here and follow the person all over the forums deleting after them to try and keep them somewhat organized like they are all day. No embarrasment , disrespect or the like is meant by what I did from my perspective at all.

Now as for other names being pulled into this thread here.. I am not the one who posted those other names. In fact,, someone went and changed my post title and when i noticed it myself.. I changed it back even.
I for one am not going to get into all the bickering that is taking place on this thread either. Suffice to say that as the site grows.. there are certain items that do come about as having a need to take place here on RTB. Such makes for changes also on RTB. BUT it will take time for changes to take place is what people need to understand also please. As for locking down ooold threads.. hmm.. how about member input as to doing that? I myself can see both the negative and the positive of doing such a thing. Sorry I gotta run atm and deal with the ig here atm.
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JuliusSqueezer · #18 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 10:59 PM

LOL...The posts that were dug up were reburied by the time I came along. I had no idea that "Wows and Cools" were the issue. LOL This can be and is a pain when old posts start flooding the tops of the forums for no good reason. Perhaps a little more detail on the actual offense would have sparked less attention. Shrug...I'm still trying to find a tactful way to murder people that mask curse words to avoid the filter....I'll get back to that now and leave this one alone.
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gibson · #19 (**permalink**) 10-10-2002, 11:31 PM

ok ok i get the point !!!! yall don't have to be rude about it ! I didnt know how the web site worked and i didn't relize what i was doing was so wrong. I got the e-mail and I won't replie to any more posts. Ever ! But you don't have to bash and rag on me for it. Further more you don't have to post a huge link on the home page saying att gibson Realy come on now. I am not trying to be a jerk but I am kind upset that you would go to all this trouble to rag on me. I said i am sorry and I honestly didn't know that relping to an old post would bring it back to the top. I didn't know it worked that way. I just saw people with like 3000 posts and mine saying 8 and newbie. I was just tring to bump my stats not make everyone mad at me. again I am sorry
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JuliusSqueezer · #20 (**permalink**) 10-11-2002, 12:06 AM

Post count means squat...your title also means squat...we all had to start sometime here and many came full of knowledge and many came clueless and remained clueless even as the count climbed high and they became "experts" If the point of this site was to see who could have the highest post count then there would be no substance. Please concentrate more on quality of posts not quantity..noone is impressed by how well you type "wow cool"
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