immune systems

[razeraze]

I was not sure where to put this but I hope someone labels it important.


For years i have been telling people CBB specimens in sterile environments will have weaker immune systems, turning normal parasites into fatal ones.

As always human research is far more current and advanced than reptile research, but immune systems react very similar. Mammals biggest advantage is passing on the immune system agents while nursing.

http://www.babysplendor.com/justformoms.pdf

since reptiles need to come in contact with bacteria, and can not receive antibodies from their parents, perhaps we should re- think the Tupperware, paper towel set ups, and the genetic eye candy snakes. We are merely forcing them to evolve into a weaker species.

[Adrya]

I believe children and ourselves as well as perhaps our reptiles(without letting things get way out of hand for the reptiles.. like leaving poo all over their cage for weeks) should be exposed to germs so they can more effectively develop immune systems. Children nowadays often develop severe allergies later in the future because they were protected so much from germs, certain proteins (such as dried dog or cat saliva after licking fur) and other allergens...

And I'm also against all of this antibacterial crap. That 0.1% is gonna seriously mutate and might someday wipe out half of us. Basically it's like, "If this antibacterial soap kills germs, what did the old soap do?" ...so.... I always get just plain soap... no antibacterial crap. I would rather be exposed and even if I get sick and might need medications, that only makes me stronger.

	Female Female

[SoberGuy]

An interesting idea. However, with kids it's real easy to keep them couped up and prevent exposure to most bacteria. Same with snakes. But with kids, you can ship them to school, take them out in public, whatever, and get them exposed to various bacteria and germs. How would you go about doing that to snakes?

[Adrya]

Originally Posted by SoberGuy

An interesting idea. However, with kids it's real easy to keep them couped up and prevent exposure to most bacteria. Same with snakes. But with kids, you can ship them to school, take them out in public, whatever, and get them exposed to various bacteria and germs. How would you go about doing that to snakes?

Ah..... but wherever you go... what if you don't always wash your hands after a long day at work or at the petshop and you take your snakes out to hold or something?

[razeraze]

I personally feel since I have started using antibacterial soap I have been sick more often. I also believe washing food bowls with it may have severely damaged my W/C savanna. Though their environments all contain wood from the outside, not cleaned and their cages never get completely washed, just spot cleaned I fear the antibacterial soap may have harmed my savanna monitor.

I feel so silly, I have been against sterilizing wood, and bedding yet I was dumb enough to wash bowls with antibacterial soap. live and learn I guess. My natural like caging maybe the only reason my animals lived this long.

[SoberGuy]

Originally Posted by Adrya_Webb

Ah..... but wherever you go... what if you don't always wash your hands after a long day at work or at the petshop and you take your snakes out to hold or something?

You're right. Better to risk IBD so they have a healthy immune system.

Yes, that was sarcastic and in jest.

	Inclusion Body Disease IBD

[razeraze]

Perhaps this is why i.b.d and crypto spread like wildfire in captives. comprimised immune systems.

Cryptosporidium

[Jatango]

Actually, the antibacterial soap is no more effective than regular soap if you're washing your hands the right way, same with your dishes. Tylan doesn't do a heck of a lot out of the body.