Can I post the 'Live Pile' thread on MySpace?

boa newbie · #1 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 06:30 PM

I would like to put the 'Thinking about feeding live, welcome to the live pile' thread in my blog so people know not to feed live. I recently made a local myspace friend, and I found out he feeds live. I sent him the thread and told him not to feed live, but I figure there are more people out there who don't know the dangers incurred from feeding live. Would it be ok if I posted the thread in my blog to raise more awareness? I just want to make sure I wouldn't be breaking any rules or anything.

toker · #2 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 06:46 PM

I dont forsee a problem with it, but I would request you put some form of link to give credit to the folks that put it together.

boa newbie · #3 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 07:49 PM

So that's basically a link to redtailboa.net? You got it!

Ms.Anthropist · #4 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 10:52 PM

what are you gonna tell them when they don't live feed but the snake won't eat after 6 months?

maybe you could dig up a link on force feeding to compliment it.

monitored live feeding is also better than starvation, and some snakes will simply NOT eat anything but live. i'd emphasize all points so as not to misrepresent anything. I've had to do it all and the point is to keep them alive and healthy.

barrychapman · #5 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Anthropist

what are you gonna tell them when they don't live feed but the snake won't eat after 6 months?
maybe you could dig up a link on force feeding to compliment it.
monitored live feeding is also better than starvation, and some snakes will simply NOT eat anything but live. i'd emphasize all points so as not to misrepresent anything. I've had to do it all and the point is to keep them alive and healthy.

i would never force feed instead of feeding live. that is just plain bad for the snake, feeding live is much better than that.

i would dangle a mouse with hemostats from the top of the tank until the snake took em if i had to, that way there wouldnt be any biting going on

Refused · #6 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Anthropist

what are you gonna tell them when they don't live feed but the snake won't eat after 6 months?
maybe you could dig up a link on force feeding to compliment it.
monitored live feeding is also better than starvation, and some snakes will simply NOT eat anything but live. i'd emphasize all points so as not to misrepresent anything. I've had to do it all and the point is to keep them alive and healthy.

Lets not get into a live feeding argument again please. His question was directed towards the mods and admins asking if the thread was ok to use...
Arguments aside on preferred feeding, he wants to use the link to better educate people of feeding. With this forum and others people will be able to better educate themselves with the topic at hand. If they don't feed for 6 months maybe they don't have the common sense to own a snake or any herp for that matter.

Fenderplayer108 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 12:04 AM

Im thinking about making a banner, with the effects of feeding live and posting it in my signiture in forums.

Ryan

boa newbie · #8 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 06:43 AM

Thank you, Refused, and I'm a 'she' by the way. I posted it in my profile under blogs. Here's the link to my profile. http://www.myspace.com/karenofmyspace

louise · #9 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 07:04 AM

awesome boa newbie! good job.

louise · #10 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Anthropist

what are you gonna tell them when they don't live feed but the snake won't eat after 6 months?
maybe you could dig up a link on force feeding to compliment it.
monitored live feeding is also better than starvation, and some snakes will simply NOT eat anything but live. i'd emphasize all points so as not to misrepresent anything. I've had to do it all and the point is to keep them alive and healthy.

you have posted a total of 4 times. you have managed to upset more then one person with your posts. not one person ever has said it is better to let your snake starve. but understand on this site we do not tolerate telling people it is okay to feed live.

Ms.Anthropist · #11 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by barrychapman

i would never force feed instead of feeding live. that is just plain bad for the snake, feeding live is much better than that.
i would dangle a mouse with hemostats from the top of the tank until the snake took em if i had to, that way there wouldnt be any biting going on

when dangling, and during constriction, rodents can still bite believe it or not. i've seen a boa miss it's mark slightly, the rat got a tooth down in the eye and the boa let go but the rat didn't. this was all while being stunned and dangling from a pair of 24" hemostats.

there are some animals that are either forcefed or they die. i've seen western diamondbacks that had been gassed out of their dens for rattlesnake roundups who would eat nothing. without force/tube feeding, they die.

and forcefeeding isn't alway "shoving a prey item down their throat"

sometimes, you can make a rodent puree and force it in that way (syringe with feeding tube attached)

takes all of 30 seconds, comparable to a human IV without the pain, and doens't allow your animal to starve slowly.

when feeding live, there is always some risk involved, regardless of how it's done. with mice it's no big deal, but with rats, it could mean life or death.

starving is just not a better alternative so all things should be discussed or you're simply playing one side of the fence and doing no good. a lot like to pretend they're doing good, but present only one side of an argument, either out of ignorance or laziness.

in one thread it's ok to take your snake "out" with you to town, in the other, it's too stressful to put food in it's poor, empty stomach. priceless.

Ms.Anthropist · #12 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by louise

you have posted a total of 4 times. you have managed to upset more then one person with your posts. not one person ever has said it is better to let your snake starve. but understand on this site we do not tolerate telling people it is okay to feed live.

like i said, i did the research on you and poor chance, but you don't have a lot of experience with other snakes. it's like telling a parent how to raise their epileptic, mentally retarded child even though you've had nothing but a normal child. you simply aren't qualified to offer advice on situations where "plain and simple" don't work.

i understand why you don't like live feeding, but you are naive if you believe that it isn't 100% necessary at certain times. out of the 500 snakes i've kept in my lifetime, some simply had to be fed live, some had to be forcefed, some never refused any meal.

there are, of course, correct ways to do it all, and that's important to teach people instead of telling them it's 100% bad in every situation.

knowledge is power, and touching all bases is giving out knowledge. the live pile should speak for itself as to how things can and do go horribly wrong, i preach it all the time. without alternatives, you have no alternatives though, right?

so what happens, taking it to the vet because it won't eat f/t so he forcefeeds or live feeds it, gives you a $250 bill and then you're back at square one until next feeding?

ridiculous, huh?

you have to understand where i'm coming from and until you take off the blinders, that may be impossible. i'll happily donate a picky eater to you and without any help or live feeding, we'll see how long it lasts in your care. wanna try?

Ms.Anthropist · #13 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Refused

Lets not get into a live feeding argument again please. His question was directed towards the mods and admins asking if the thread was ok to use...
Arguments aside on preferred feeding, he wants to use the link to better educate people of feeding. With this forum and others people will be able to better educate themselves with the topic at hand. If they don't feed for 6 months maybe they don't have the common sense to own a snake or any herp for that matter.

and to "better educate" you have to give out all the facts, don't you?

that's all i was wanting to see, because just like if people are given wrong info, if given only partial info, it can be just as dangerous.

and it was a suggestion, not a demand, i quit making those about 30 years ago because people do what they want. you can get to a small percentage though if you feed them all pertinent info.

Fenderplayer108 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 12:38 PM

If I have some time left over tonight, ill make a banner we can use on sites/forums.

Ryan

Heidi · #15 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms.Anthropist

and to "better educate" you have to give out all the facts, don't you?
that's all i was wanting to see, because just like if people are given wrong info, if given only partial info, it can be just as dangerous.
and it was a suggestion, not a demand, i quit making those about 30 years ago because people do what they want. you can get to a small percentage though if you feed them all pertinent info.

I think the main problem that most of the people are concerned with is the ignorance of feeding live. That people buy snakes because they are cool, maybe heard something about feeding frozen/thawed food but think "why?". They learn exactly why but think they are immune anyway. I know of a family personally who has this issue. They think I'm rediculous because I feed f/t and I think they are rediculous for feeding live WITHOUT ever have even tried f/t. It is the ignorant people we are referring to, not the people with 30+ years of experience who have tried other options and continue to try other options instead of just feeding live because it's "natures way" or "so cool".

Not all of us are closed minded. Some of us do consider our snakes as pets and want 100% best for them to the best of our abilities. Realistically we fully realize that our snakes will never fall in love with us or even give a darn about us, but we have the right to pretend don't we? We feed them and clean their cages and in turn they may get used to our coddling (non-hots obviously) but I'll admit that even why my girl is cruising around looking adorable and I insist she is wanting to "play" she could give a darn if I got her out for "play time".

toker · #16 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 01:32 PM

This was a question about a possible copyright issue, it was answered, this does NOT need to be turned into a feeding live thread.

If such a subject is something you want to talk about, do so on its own thread

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