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Old 03-23-2002, 07:18 AM
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I've been sitting on this story for a couple of days since it has nothing to do with reptiles, but decided to post it anyways. For those who don't know, I am a reserve police officer in a suburban Detroit community (in additon to my Air Force commitment), and a strong proponent of the right of law-abiding citizens to self-defense.

Sadly, people such as Sarah Brady & the below-mentioned Arthur Hayhoe, do not feel the same. In the article, Hayhoe claims that it was a shooting of an "unarmed man" (the second dirtbag, who was reaching for the weapon).

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Dad slays gunman inside son's store
By Rich McKay
Sentinel Staff Writer

March 20, 2002

ORANGE CITY -- This article misspelled the name of Volusia County Sheriff's Sgt. Bob Kelley.

A father came to his son's rescue during an armed robbery attempt at a Blockbuster Video store Monday night -- slaying the gunman and wounding an accused accomplice with a .45-caliber pistol he kept under his shirt, detectives said.

It was no coincidence that Robert P. Shockey was at the store. Every night that his 20-year-old son, Gabe, closes up, Robert Shockey waited and watched. And he has been armed with his semi-automatic.

The reason is another robbery at the Blockbuster in January. During that crime, one of Gabe Shockey's co-workers was attacked and dragged around by his hair.

Shockey's son refused to quit his job, so the father did the only thing he could think of to protect his son -- watch.

&quot;A lot of nights it'd be just him, and it's so dark there,&quot; Shockey said. &quot;I'd go down, 10:30, 11 and sit in my car in the parking lot. I figured if there were cars there, it would help. If my son wasn't busy, I'd go in and talk to him.

&quot;I don't consider myself a hero,&quot; he said. &quot;I love my family.&quot;

Detectives say it was lucky he was there Monday.

Robert Shockey, a 50-year-old carpenter, was inside the Enterprise Road store about 11:45 p.m., 15 minutes before closing. There were no customers as Gabe Shockey went to the back office to tally up the day's receipts. Robert Shockey stood inside near the front counter talking to a young man on his first day of work.

From his DeLand home Tuesday, Shockey recalled the events. The door burst open and two men rushed in. Ski masks covered their faces. One brandished a rifle and both were shouting violent, obscenity-laced threats.&quot;They made it clear that they would kill us,&quot; Shockey said.

His son saw it on the monitors in the office and called 911. But the shooting happened just heartbeats later.

&quot;It was fast -- an adrenaline moment,&quot; Shockey said. &quot;I had no time to think, just react.&quot;

The gunman first pointed the rifle at Robert Shockey and then at an employee, identified only as Brian. While the rifle was pointed at the young employee, Shockey reached for the pistol tucked in his belt against the small of his back. He drew the weapon.

&quot;I shouted, &quot;Freeze!&quot; he said. The man with the rifle -- standing only about 6 feet away -- turned and pointed it at Shockey.

Shockey fell silent for a moment when asked about what happened next. &quot;It's got him shaken up,&quot; said his wife, Gloria.

Detectives say Shockey fired at least two shots, hitting the gunman once in the throat and once in the chest. The man detectives say was an accomplice then reached for the rifle, so Shockey fired again, hitting him in the chest. He fired a fourth shot that missed.

The man who died, 19-year-old James Franklin Wince of Deltona, was an off-duty employee of the store he was trying to rob, said detectives, who think Wince was involved in the January robbery.

The survivor, Darius Bennett, 18, is charged with murder in his partner's death under a law that allows someone involved in a felony to be charged with murder even if that person didn't do the killing. Felony murder is a second-degree murder, sheriff's spokesman Gary Davidson said.

Bennett was charged at his hospital bed in the intensive care unit at Halifax Medical Center in Daytona Beach, where he was listed in stable condition Tuesday afternoon. Bennett, who also has several felony convictions, is expected to recover.

Shockey, who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, received praise from sheriff's officials for his actions, and got a call from Sheriff Ben Johnson, who offered his support.

&quot;He [Shockey] is going to get the good-citizenship award,&quot; Davidson said.

Detectives will forward their information to the State's Attorney's Office for a final decision.

Investigator Sgt. Bob Kelly said: &quot;It appears to be a self-defense case.&quot;

Though only 19, Wince has a record of a half dozen arrests and several convictions on charges ranging from burglary to vehicle theft. A Blockbuster spokesman in Dallas, Randy Hargrove, said the company does not do criminal background checks at its Florida stores. He could not explain the reason for that policy.

Arthur Hayhoe, the executive director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said this case is &quot;a tough call&quot; for a group that favors strict gun laws.

He said he won't &quot;second-guess&quot; a parent defending his son, but Hayhoe is troubled with the second shooting.

&quot;It's still a shooting of an unarmed person, and that's always troubling,&quot; he said.And he predicted the story will wind up in the National Rifle Association's publication, The American Rifleman, and its column, Armed Citizen, which recounts the stories of people who use guns to defend themselves.

The NRA declined to comment on the incident. But another group, the Gun Owners of America, based in Springfield, Va., applauded.

&quot;It's a classic case of self-defense, and one less menace to society,&quot; said the group's executive director, Larry Pratt. &quot;Good for him.&quot;

Robert Shockey doesn't want praise, saying, &quot;I was just doing what I had to do.&quot;

Alicia C. Caldwell of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

Rich McKay can be reached at rmckay@orlandosentinel.com or 386-253-2316.


Copyright © 2002, Orlando Sentinel
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Way to go! He was protecting his family. Any real parent would protect his child anyway necessary. I think he deserves a huge pat on the back. (and maybe some free therapy, I am sure he feels badly even if he ridded the world of one dirtbag) I appreciate his quick thinking, he saved his son's life. More power to him!
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Old 03-23-2002, 08:17 AM
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This is a good example of gun control. Hitting what you aim at. If we had stricter gun laws then the father would not be aloud to own a gun because he is a lawabiding citizen and the criminals would have probably shot him and got away with it. If more people were like him there would be a lot less criminals.
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god bless him for doing that.
seriously! i am soooo glad that he was shown for the hero he is. dirtbags like that gotta go.
there are too many god #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& right protecting criminals nowadays. if that were in NY i think he would've went to jail.

i feel sorry that he has to go through the rough feeling of &quot;takin' out the trash&quot;, and hope he makes it through okay. he did what i think we all would do! i would do anything for the good of mankind. not just my family n snakes, but for all too......

scum like that have to go.....
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Ok, so a guy who was just trying to rob a store gets killed and this is a good thing? Isn't that a bit harsh? A guy who worked at the Blockbuster in question is probably no 'real' killer and was just all talk.. but now is dead.

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&gt;&gt;Ok, so a guy who was just trying to rob a store gets killed and this is a good thing? Isn't that a bit harsh? A guy who worked at the Blockbuster in question is probably no 'real' killer and was just all talk.. but now is dead.
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Yes, it's a bit harsh, but it would have be hersher if an innocent young man (the son) was killed for nothing more than a couple bucks, which seemd to be the norm nowadays. Unfortunatly, it is rather harsh but maybe if that happened a bit more often, the crime rate might go down. Criminals may start to learn that crime doesn't pay anymore, because unfortunatly crime does pay now. Harsh times call for harsh actions. It's a shame, but it may be what's needed right now to get the balance back the way it should be.
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This was not a simple property crime. IMO, the father actually showed great restraint by verballychallenging the perps before dropping them.

To begin with, there was justifcation to believe that greivous bodily harm would be done to employees, based on the actions during previous robberies. Couple this with the fact that the perp was taking aim at people, and screaming that he will shoot them. This alone is reasonable justification for the shooting.

After being challenged, the now-deceaseed dirtbag turned and took aim at the father. I'm sorry, but if someone takes aim at me with a shotgun, they're winding up with at least two new holes in their body.

Yes, a man is dead, but better him than someone else. He first made the concientious decision to commit armed robbery. He then made the decision to threaten the lives of innocents. Finally, he made the decision to turn his weapon on someone who was capable of defending himself.

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I'm on the &quot;good thing&quot; team. Crime is approached far too casually these days.

Break the law, risk the consequences. Too bad he didn't finish of the other piece of poopy...
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wow!
i cant even believe you would think that, but thats your opinion.
the perp used a deadly weapon! a deadly weapon is any instrument, including motor vehicle, in the manner of wich it is used that is readily capable of causing serious physical injury and/ or death.

it could of been a pen- i would have done the same thing!!!

strait up- that person chose to do what he wanted to do, the other who was helping chose to participate- they totally knew what they wanted and the reprocussions.

dont ever take the side of a bad person here and say the person who defending his own son was wrong- screw that! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] its people who make comments like that that keep giving the criminals their rights and putting them back on the streets- to keep commiting crimes and murder.

yes- he totally got what he deserves- so did the other one.
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The store has insurance... Give the person the money, and hope the security cameras do their job. The death penalty shouldn't even exist at all, let alone be carried out by the judgement of a single person. It's typical US mentality to think that killing people for stepping on your toes is a good thing. No other 'civilized' country would do that. Do they need to kill people in England to keep the crime down like you're suggesting here? No, they don't.
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...Oh, and cb76:

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Do you actually think they thought that they would DIE, or go to jail, huh? Most people go to jail for robbing a store.
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You know what, My boyfriend, his 10 year old son and I were recently victims in an armed robbery.. the b@stards pushed his son in the back with a 9mm.. the other one was pointing a machine gun at people.. and you know what, the fact that that @ss even had the nerve to touch a 10 year old kid wiht his gun made me so angry that had i had a gun i would have shot him without even thinking first. would i regret it? no because i was protecting a loved one from harm and for that there is no regrets. I think the father was in the right in this one. I can also guarantee that before this year is over i will have a concealed weapon's permit, &quot;civilized&quot; or not, there are times now days where that is your only means of protection.
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Rolento, had this been simply a property crime, I would agree with you that the perp should not have been shot. However, he chose to make it clear, by his words and actions, that he had the intent to shoot. At that point in time, he bacame a credible threat to the innocents in the store. The BG didn't say,&quot;Do what I tell you, and no one gets hurt&quot;. Rather, he said something to the effect of, &quot;I'm gonna f@#$%^&amp; kill you all.&quot;

I don't care whether I am on duty, or off, if someone assaults me with a weapon, I treat them accordingly (ie, neutralize the threat). There is no &quot;just kidding&quot; clause to threats with a deadly weapon- they are all taken seriously. As such, my desire to go home at night takes precendence over the BG's.

It's not a matter of killing someone for &quot;stepping on your toes&quot;; it is a matter of the law-abiding ciitizen's right to defend his or her own life, or that of others when a credible threat exists.

As for the death penalty, I'll merely go on record saying that I suppport its use. However, since this is a rahther controversial subjecct that could be debated forever, I'll just leave it at that. Interstingly enough though, England's crime rate actually rose just after the death penalty was abolished. However, this is attributable to their strict gun control, and not to captial punishment.

Finally, as to whether or not the BG's thought that their demise was a possibility of their actions, I'm sure that they didn't. Nearly everyone who commits a crime thinks that they will get away with it. Those who use a firearm in the commission of their crime, generally only thinkof one thing- getting away with it at any cost, even if that cost is an innocent life.


Karibou, getting a CCW in MI is a good choice to make. Now that we have joined the ranks of the &quot;shall issue&quot; states, county gun boards have to have a valid reason to deny a license. There are just a few changes that I would like to see made to the current law...1) abolishment of the ban on carrying into any establishment licensed to serve alcohol on premises. What I would instead like to see is a ban on carrying into establishments that derive at least 51% of their revenue from the ssale of alcohol. and 2) removing multiplex theatres from the list of restricted places, while clarifying what constitutes an &quot;entertainment venue&quot;.

Just keep in mind that carrying is a tremendous responsibility. Find the gun that is right for you, and practice until you are proficient with it, and then practice some more. A very good resource for anyone here in MI is the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners. Even if you have just a passing interest in