Chalk another one up for the good guys (off-topic)

This comes down to parenting (or lack thereof) as the root cause I think. Children with caring, loving parents seldom produce career criminal children. That's because they have an interest in what their children are doing, including what friends they are with, where they are going and when they'll be home.

It's a simple, obvious thing for a mind free of mental illness that pointing a gun at someone is not a good thing, unless you're a law enforcement officer protecting the interests of the rest of the community. If you're that "confused", you need to be getting some psychiatric treatment. Whether you're 16 or 66. If your parents don't teach your right from wrong, I don't think it should become everyone else's duty.

Confused or not, you had to know what you were doing was wrong, Americka. Stealing is wrong. Your parents are supposed to teach you that by the time you get to school.

Should you have been held at gunpoint for stealing? Well, maybe to scare you a bit. I know police officers use the scare tactic on young offenders to "try and scare them straight". But a gun to the temple is a little excessive, espically if you're unarmed. You WERE unarmed, right?

The dictionary defines "mistake" as : unrecognition of an error.

It comes back to right or wrong. You knew #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& well you should not have been in there stealing, it wasn't a mistake, just like this guy knew he shouldn't be pointing a gun at people but did anyway.

I think the prison system has proved quite effectively that career criminals are nearly impossible to rehabilitate. I see no point in continuing to have to house and feed them if they are never going to be a useful member of society.

This debate will rage forever. Personally, I think people with coddling opinions of criminals are contributing to crime. Jail is not a punishment to most of them. It means security, 3 squares and something they're familiar and comfortable with. And they don't have to conform or earn their keep. They just have to stay alive. And we have to pay for it.

I personally think if you're convicted of a violent crime, you get death. Plain and simple. You kill someone, you're put to death, not in jail forever where law abiding citizens tax dollars are used to support you, so you can get a college education on our dime, write a book or start an internet business. That is NOT right. I subscribe to the old eye for an eye judgement.


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[JuliusSqueezer]

I find it hard to believe that anyone with a child or children could possibly not understand fighting to the death for your kid. Who wants to raise a child from birth, put em through school, teach em right from wrong, Love them and have them love you back and then just sit and watch them be wasted because some punk thinks a few bucks in his pocket is worth taking a life or atleast holding a life or two in his hands to insure he gets his few bucks when you had the means to stop it. What kind of world would this be if the good people were not willing to protect their own lives or the lives of the ones they love? Anarchy, however romanticized by thoughtless punks with no foresight would pretty much put the human race to a very painful, grizzly extinction. As sad as this may seem to some, in the long run, actions like this may save countless lives in the future. It adds to the growing list of "Good Guys Win" and might make someone think twice before attempting such a crime. Also keep in mind, both men were armed. It was a fair fight except the robber had the unfair advantage of premeditation and surprise. How much time do you think an innocent but legally armed person should take to pshycho-analyze an armed thug in a ski mask before pulling his/her own trigger in self defense? Think about this one long and hard....that's a leisure that this boy's dad did not have.

Amerika...You cannot compare breaking into a building at night when noone is there, or shoplifting or whatever it is you were doing to armed robbery. I am pretty sure that the boy's father didn't rush in to save Blockbusters money or video tapes. He went in to protect his son. He just as easily could have been killed in doing so....but risked his own life without hesitation to save that of his son just like any other good parent in the same situation would have done. If you can't understand that....then you don't need to have kids.
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[amErika]

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Julius you have just made me decided that I will NEVER post a reply in Just Talk again. How dare you say that I should not have children. I am so disgusted with the attack you just made on my character. We are debating about this particular event. Why you felt it necessary to make a comment like that is beyond me. I was under the impression that on RTB forums we treat eachother with respect and allow people the right to their own opinion. My posts were geared towards understanding why someone would create a crime like this and understanding that they too are human beings. At no moment did I say that I condoned what they did or say that they were not responsible for their actions. I apologize for trying to look at the situation in a more humane way, but then again isn't that the point of a forum, discussion from different points of view. YOu have to undersatnd that I am a person that loves and values all forms of life. I feel that the end of a life is a tragic thing, whether it be a plant, a snake, a human, or even a crook. Death is a bad thing no matter how you look at it. My refusal to hold a hateful opinion about two boys in a story, who's circumstances I do not know, has nothing to do with my ability to love and protect my daughter. I am hurt that you would judge me, someone you do not know, and make a statement such as that based on a few paragraphs in a forum.

I would appreciate it if there were no more repies regarding my opinion because I am totally crushed by what was said about me and will no longer be checking this thread.


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[eddie]

AmErika,
I read this thread and it was not an attack on your charachter.
You may be a good loving mommy that wishes well for all, but the first time someone breaks in on you in the middle of the night and attempts to hurt you or any of your children, then you will quickly change your mind and realize you have to do something , like defending your self or your children. Otherwise, would you be able to live with your self knowing that you let a piece of crap hurt or kill, and you didn't do anything to prevent it?

Life is NOT fair.
Criminals do NOT care who they hurt or destroy.
Executions should be public displays with a big party afterwards.
Everyone legal to own a weapon in this country should be
able to carry any time, any place-NO RESTRICTIONS.

As for the USA turning into the old west, with shootouts in the streets, fine with me, make a few examples out of criminals and the rest would think twice before committing another crime.
At least in the old days, one could sleep soundly with the windows open and no locks on their doors with out fear that scum would be there to threaten , steal from, rape, kill and otherwise do harm and injury.

The biggest problem with crime and criminals now, is that they know they are going to get away clean, weven after being sent to the pen. With that knowledge, why would they WANT to stop?
Let them see and attend public executions for things such as rape, arson etc. and they would change or die.

Simple.

BTW plants don't have feelings.
Animals are here for us to eat.
Criminals are here to keep me busy at work.
I am lazy, so I really don't want to explain to an old couple why some one broke in, while they were home and grabbed their TV and VCR and left without saying a word to them.
I really don't want to explain to them why the criminals are getting away with it.
Simple, we let them.

As for the old couple, true, Gastonia NC about 1993, crack heads walked in and stole their things. They were scared to stop them or even call the police afterwards.
If they were to have exercised their Constitutional rights, then the criminals would have been stopped and jailed. But no, it's not politically correct to own a gun any more.
Sorry, I guess I am not too politically correct as I am a member of the NRA, Ex-Military, Vote, have real intelligence and common sense, own not just one but multiple wepaons ranging from long range to close up and personal types and I do carry on a DAILY basis.

AmErika, this isn't a flamer post on you. I am just extremely passionate that the citizens of this country wake up and quit acting like good little sheep.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

I wasn't directing that comment at any one person...I was directing it at everyone. If you will not fight to the death to protect your child or be willing to...don't have kids. Simple as that. Once you bring a life into this world, your life then comes second....maybe 3rd if you really love your significant other enough. BUT... anyone who wouldn't do everything they can to keep their child from becoming a victom to a violent crime if given the oppertunity is as guilty as the guy with the rifle.

Don't be offended because I gave an oppinion that I feel strongly about. You gave yours. All I have to say about the whole thing is...nice shot man.
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[Ritchie]

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Yeah I agree with what rolento said.

In fact I agree so much that I am going upstairs to open up all my doors.
I am personally inviting everyone to come rob me......Then after they rob me I will invite them to rape my wife....then after that we can have tea and crumpets. Then I will invite my boyfriend over for a little you know what. YEAH RIGHT !!!


It is obvious the guy is on his way to a life of crime. They tied him to the previous robbery.
He is hanging out with a guy whos rap sheet is longer than my you know what.

Here in Maryland the laws are so strict.
You have to prove that your life is in danger before they aprove your application for a concealed carry permit.
A woman was raped here. She applied. They denied it saying &quot;the chances of you getting raped again are slim&quot; -- okay I guess she was ugly.

If I knew so many bleeding hearts would cry.....I would have just quit the dang army and took on a life of crime.

I praise the guy for even chalenging them.
I would not have been able to say the word freeze........I would have just shot.
Two shots center mass...............THE END !!!!
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[Ritchie]

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LET'S PLEASE DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE WE SAY THINGS.

Guns are outlawed in England. -- Fact
The gun hating government says crime is down -- Fact
The police who actually have to do the job says crime is up....they can't keep up -- Fact


Guns are outlawed in States like New York and California....etc etc
guess what...
Those states in turn have the highest crime rate.....WHY?
It is easier to rob unarmed people.
It is easier to rape unarmed women.

But I guess you don't have to worry about some big 200 pound thug raping your @$$.


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[Ritchie]

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I must agree.....
It would have been better if the three innocent people were killed.
At least the &quot;lost boy&quot; would still have a chance at life.....YEAH RIGHT !!!


Sort of like the guy who pulled a gun on me..... He is alive because I was so nervous I missed.
But thinking about it now....
I should not have pulled my gun and shot at him........if I didn't pull my gun, I would probably be dead...But at least the&quot;lost boy&quot; would have a chance to change his ways.....YEAH RIGHT...I SEE YOUR POINT



LETS GET RID OF ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE SO THE &quot;LOST BOYS&quot; CAN CHANGE THEIR WAYS. Let's get rid of the cops too....they are useless. The &quot;lost boys will change their ways anyway.

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[Rolento]

I really enjoy discussing topics with people who can't keep personal shots out of the conversation. There are ways to state your case without attempting to make other people feel stupid for stating theirs.

You boys need to grow up and learn how to have an adult conversation.

If you don't agree with me, or any other hypothetical person, that is fine. Don't be an [edited by LORI] about it.

Ritchie: I've always enjoyed your posts in the past, and our brief conversations. However, after your display here I'm kinda forgetting why.

Jules: Your comments to Erika were uncalled for bro.

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[cb76]

wow!

this got a bit ugly!! i still cant believe there ar people in this world who will side with criminals than side with whats good and right!

holy jeez- you guys make me sick. i apologize for saying it that way, but c'mon man!!!

strait up- i dont care if you are 9 or 90, dont ever mess with anything of mine- for the simple fact is its mine!!! if you were the kid who robbed my house, you would be the kid with permanent injury- depending on the situation, maybe dead.

i know that that is a strong word but hey, you know what you are doing, they know what they are doing. simple. they live by the sword, they die by the sword. plain as day.

right is right, wrong is wrong- it is ageless, and what naja said is true- something that amerika still cant see- HE HAD A (Edited by Jules tisk tisk) SHOT GUN THREATING TO KILL- FOR WHAT A FEW BUCKS- YES IT IS IN MY SERIOUS OPINION THAT SCUM LIKE THIS SHOULD BE ERADICATED!!!

YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT- ME AND EVERY LAW ABIDING CITIZEN ON THIS PLANET.

amerika, just because you grew up with a lil' messing up dont make a difference to me in the slightest- you knew what you were doing, you know whats right and wrong!! dont blame it on being a child. thank god you have changed- you have children now and you are doing soooo much better for your self. have you ever thought about what would it be like if you didnt change???

again, what CrossDresser and naja said is absolutely 100 truth, if you feel something is wrong with it- may i suggest therapy. simple- you know the difference, your children know the difference- these guys knew the difference- they chose to do it with a shot gun.

you guys are completely entitled to your opinion, just remember that when you are facing down the barrel of a gun, or feeling an ice pick pressed against your neck- or when grand ma busted her hip falling cuz some punk ripped her purse off her shoulder



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