Grandparents/snakes/ The devil....... - Page 3

Reticu-Lady · #41 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 10:54 AM

Bry, I think you're right!!!
Of course it was poodles He was reffering to. It all makes sense, that's why they are doomed to wearign those rediculous hairstyles!! No one would do that to a dog unless it was as punishment for the Original Sin. lol [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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#42 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 03:30 PM

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Roooootttiie, I AM your father! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

It's just the common Canadian bond thing, I was just tryin to push some buttons with off the wall ideas. The second one was actually proposed by my 10th grade history teacher.

I personally am a science guy all the way. Creation was just a way to explain the unexplainable back in the days before science had advanced far enough. Really, how the heck would they know how "God" did anything? They just took a shot in the dark. I don't think it's a coincidence that the bible makes mention of a 24 hour day or a 7 day week. The Romans created the whole "modern" calendar thing.

Just Me makes a good case for evolution and creation together.

There's no denying evolution, it's been proven again, and again and again. Unlike the existence of "God". I have never been a fan of blind faith or the "because I said so" train of thought.
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RevMojo · #43 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 05:08 PM

Wow...a religious talk that hasn't broken down into name calling...astounding, especially considering the number of people involved.

And of course the good reverend has his opinion. It appears we are divided (with a few exceptions) into 2 major schools of thought. There are the Christians, and the IknowtheressomethingbutIcantquiteexplainit-ians. I personally fall into the second camp. The only trouble with it is it's lack of organization, which is also its charm. Why would god make so many different types of people and only one way to worship him. Or as I've said so many times "God spoke to me, and he told me He didn't exist" (if you watch the capitalization, it makes sense) God, or whatever you want to call him, brings himself to the people in whatever form they need. For some, a pantheon of heroes and fools would do, for some all it took was a fat dude under a tree, and other more stubborn peoples needed miracle after astounding miracle to be shown the way. I could go deeper, but the post isn't about my beliefs, it was about snakes and the devil.

Translated from Latin, Lucifer means "bringer of light" Take that how you may. In Voodoo culture, the snake is a powerful creature, because it is constantly reborn (shedding). The Kingsnake in particular holds especially powerful medicine, because of it's immunity to poison. So many other cultures held the snake in high regard in their religions. Fewer feel the opposite way. Obviously the Judeo-Christians, and if I remeber correctly, Norse mythology believed that at Raganarok (Armageddon, or whatever you want to call the end of the world) a serpent would either crush or eat (I cant remember) the world. All in all, I think it would make a great research project.

Regardless of what you believe, clearly none of US feel that the snake is the devil.
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Reticu-Lady · #44 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 08:05 PM

I wish it were all cut and dry, but then that might take all the fun out of interesting conversations such as this one. In my opinion, God has 'spoken' to me in a lot of ways. In the smile of a newborn baby while nursing, the rebirth of flowers, etc in Spring, in the kindness of strangers and the good feeling you get sometimes for no apparant reason. There are so many more, but these are a few off the top of my head. One of the most obvious to me is in a situation like rtb. So many people, so many ideas, so many opinions but we still get along so well. Tell me that God or some other Higher Power isn't in all of us to one extent or another. Maybe 'He' is just what each individual needs Him to be.

Well, whatever it turns out is the correct answer (and I think it's all of them) I still love all my 'little devils.' [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Bry · #45 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 08:24 PM

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Of course it was poodles He was reffering to. It all makes sense, that's why they are doomed to wearign those rediculous hairstyles!! No one would do that to a dog unless it was as punishment for the Original Sin. lol [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Just-Me, I'm glad we see eye to eye on this! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]

Bry
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captainmorgan · #46 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 08:46 PM

reALLY?? I always thought mice and rats were the devil....
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Karen · #47 (**permalink**) 03-26-2002, 11:36 PM

I haven't read this whole thread,cuz frankly it's too much to skim through. In response to rottyguys first post though I have to say this.... I believe in just about every religion you have your "ists" which take their religion to the extreme and twist it some. I'm Christian and was raised in a Baptist Church and we love snakes in my family. Growing up in a Southern Baptist Church I havent encountered anyone who thiks they are evil and devilish.
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Highlander_77 · #48 (**permalink**) 03-27-2002, 07:27 AM

In response to all those "contradictions" that rottie posted, there are two things that I, as a practicing Christian, feel the need to point out.

1) Context. If you take verses from the Bible out of context you can make it say anything you want. But that's not how it's intended to be read.

2) English is *not* the original language of the Bible. It was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, & Greek. *All* other translations have errors and inaccuracies, sometimes cause by simple poor translation, sometimes by the limitations of the language it was being translated into (especially English), and sometimes an *unwillingness* on the part of the translators to accurately translate something that they didn't like. For example, the "Thou shalt not kill" thing...in the original language, what it actually says is closer to "Thou shalt not *murder*"...however killing in war, for example. or in self defense, is never forbidden in the Bible.

But the context issue is the most important thing...believe me, though I don't have time to go through each of those contradictions point by point, I've looked at enough of them before to know that there are *no* true contradictions in the Bible...it only appears that way until you actually get the full picture of what's being said in any given passage. Just wanted to throw my $0.02 in, that is all [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] .

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cb76 · #49 (**permalink**) 03-27-2002, 08:20 AM

a friend gave me something very interesting. i only watched the begining, but it does make sense.

this is a 2 video set called "CREATION IN SYMPHONY: THE MODEL"
hosted by Carl Baugh, PhD.

he uses science to explain the bible and he makes it all work out (so far)
he also dicusses that gods time is not like our time. our billion years is a moment in the time of the creator.

pretty neat. maybe if you're interested enough, check it out. library or buy it. really neat!
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Dr.Oviparous · #50 (**permalink**) 03-27-2002, 10:22 AM

I was raised without any religion. I was very lucky to have the kind of parents I had when I was groing up, almost all my friends in my childhood had divorced, or "should be divorced" parents. I never once saw my parents argue, neither did my sister, to the best of my knoledge, it just didn't happen. anyway, this is where I'm goin' with this, all of our family all live in utah, and are all mormon except my parents, my sister, and me. both sides mom, and dad are mormon. my father's father is a bishop. to make a long story short, my grandfather on my dad's side did somethings he shouldn't have (I'll spare the details). my father caught him in the act. he was 19 at the time, and just married my mother. when my father went to the rest of his family for help, they called him a liar. they disowned us, and have not made much contact since, I don't really know them to this day. for this reason my sister and I were never taught any religion. we had the model family growing up, and my sister and I are both very well adjusted people, she is and arcitect ( I don't knpw how to spell!!) and I work two full time jobs (aircraft mechanic, and body piercer). I don't need the two jobs, I just love both of them, so I keep both. anyway what I'm getting at, is kids, IN MY OPINION, and people in general don't have to have religion in their lives to be good high quality individuals [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] . -Juggalo
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Jack_Daniels · #51 (**permalink**) 04-02-2002, 05:39 AM

Wow, this thread really took off while I've been gone..

Rottie, thanx for those verses, they were interesting..

Can I ask you, did you find those verses through studying the books of the bible they were included in? or from a web site?... Because most are jumping over large amounts of information that through using "context clues" would clear up the confusion that would result from reading those at "face value"

We're in life... We're alive.. Celebrate always.. "For tomorrow we die".. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img]
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rottie · #52 (**permalink**) 04-02-2002, 06:03 AM

Well those quotes were from a website... but I also did a study in school with a group of people and found different ones... i cant remember off of the top of my head... but what I meant is still there.. As for the comments on taking it out of context ... you really cant say that..unless you are the one that has written it.. you see it one way and I may see it another and someone else might see it another way...I personally dont believe in the quotes that I posted, but merely posted them for discussion purposes only..

Your opinion is what matters .. Everyone is different and will have different views.. Some people get a kick out of feeding rats to there snake .. I personally dont but hey everyone has their own thing right? Whether you are a hardcore believer or a non believer I love you all the same.

I respect everyone even though I dont respect some descisions that people make. For people to jump up and say something to them isnt right unless they asked for there opinion.

Please remember people ... When someone asks for help or an opinion do the best you can to put yourself into their shoes ... be empathetic and you will see where they are coming from and why they made their choices the way they did.

I think that we should have more discussions like this ... You can see how deep people actually are instead of exteriors.

rottie
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Jack_Daniels · #53 (**permalink**) 04-03-2002, 04:38 AM

Really, I dont know how to say it.. so I'll just say it.. We're alive.. Life.. think about it...

I dont shove anything down peoples throat because I become more #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& off and viscious than any retic or croc that youve ever met, when that happens to me.... understandably

The thing I would project from myself,... would be, we are alive, we actually have knowledge and awareness... right now.. we're, well some of us, are awake, right NOW!!...

The ones that truly see the posibilities in that, dont take it for granted, and dont see it as this normal existance.. We have the ability to create, endless possibilities... yet where do these ideas come from?.. If we controlled our own creative capabilities, would "writers block" ever have come about? etc??

What Im saying is... "no man enjoys the feast, more than the one that suffers from the strongest hunger pains...".... We're alive, dont take it for granted... Some people will read this and not have a clue of what Im saying...

"A wicked and adulterous generation, asks for a sign".... again, is life and awarness not enough? I mean, we're literally alive... alive....think about it...awake and alive! How wild is that?

What Ive said isnt meant to save... Its not my place to save.. Its rather something trivial for the "philosipher' in you to question... each draws his or her own conclusions... thank God..

What Im trying to project is, just what Ive learned... I've existed, and thought I knew everything... I swore to God I knew everything and it wasnt anything special...life is, what it is..get up,... go to work... make your money and go to sleep after you spend it... amen...

Then I caught on to the fact that nothing comes from death... death creates nothing... This life Im in is a question... Do I want it...or do I want to sleep.?... Can I be me, or am I trying to be someone?? Do I envy myself, or the dood on mTV?... Is money actually freedom, or is it literally paper stained with green ink??? Reality's a trip... Not everyone can handle it..

The people that have seen what I have, will understand what Im saying... The ones that are meant to understand it, will be intrigued by what Ive said....the ones that will sleep, wont understand... You decide your own level of involvment... So like I said... This God is very much real... see "Him" if you desire, or dont... Regardless I can point the way, not save...

God bless you all.. and I wish you all the best in LIFE...
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