BEWARE adds from "One Stop Pet shop" on Kingsnake.com

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Well you guys will love this. I saw this add on Kingsnake.com>

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Adult Columbian & Fire Belly Redtails. $99.00 ea!
Phenix city, AL USA. Ship Nation Wide
Posted by One Stop Pet Shop Inc. (Contact Me!) on November 22, 2004 at 10:56:01
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We have 2.1 adult Columbian & Fire belly redtails left. Eating great on F/T or live Lg rats weekly. Approx. 5 ft long. Tame.
$99.00 ea Plus shipping $29.99 fedex nextday. All animals are packed with 60 hr heat packs. And are next day after payment is secured. Thanks Jonathan One Stop Pet Shop Inc.

We gladly accept the following.... Money orders
Visa
Check cards
Discover card
1.1 Colunbian 1.0 Firebelly Hounduras Master card
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So I replied to the add asking if thy had any pictures of the Fire Belly boa because I wanted to buy it.

I got back an e-mail that said>

I dont currently have pics. I do guarantee all animals. Thanks Jonathan

So I sent him this e-mail>

Here, this is the type of fire belly that I am looking for and the only type I am aware of. They come from the island of Roatan off the coast of Honduras. Does yours look anything like this>





And he sent me back an e-mail saying>

Looks identical to the one you sent, my male is about 4 feet in length eating live or F/T sm - med rats. Thanks Jonathan Give me your zip to find accurate shipping cost..

And I replied to his e-mail with this>

My zip is 78247, San Antonio, Tx. I would really prefer to see a picture of the snake before I send any money though. I don’t mean to be a pain or anything, but you just can’t be too careful in this business of buying snakes online. I have been keeping reptiles for 30 years and this would be the first one that I have ever bought without holding it and looking at it up close before I bought it. And I don’t think a picture is really too much to ask for. Other than that I will buy him.

David


And he replied with this e-mail>

dont have a photo at this time, it will be Friday before Im back in the shop. But I guarantee you will love this fire belly. If he is still there when I get back I will send a photo. He is in our store front and on kingsnake aswell as fauna classifieds. Thanks Jonathan

I thought that Friday was not a long wait so I sent him this>

I guess I will wait till Friday then. Once again, I am sorry for being a pain about this. But as soon as I get a picture I will send you the money over night. That is not a problem. I will just check back on Fri. then. Have a good one.



David

Well I got up this mornign and had an e-mail from Jonathan saying that the fire belly had been sold over night and was no longer available. So I sent him this e-mail>

Sorry to hear that, but good for you I am sure. I just didn’t want to get the wrong snakes for my breeding project. There are boas from the Honduran mainland that they call “Fire belly” that only get about 3ft. long max. They have fairly orange bellies and are nice snakes. Then there are the boas from the island of Roatan off the Honduran coast which have the brilliant red bellies like the one in the picture I sent you. They get to about 6-7ft. and are a bit different from the ones on the mainland in pattern too. The Roatan boas are what I have been looking for, but all I have found so far are the ones from the mainland.

So if this sale doesn’t go through for some reason please let me know. I am still interested in that male.

David






So when I went back to Kingsnake.com later I was suprised to see that he had reposted the add about an hour before he had e-mailed me saying that the snake had been sold.
So me being the suspicious person I am and having my own mail server I set up another e-mail address under a different domain and sent an e-mail asking about the snake>

elow is a copy of the mesage you sent to One Stop Pet Shop Inc.

I am interested in your fire belly boa. How old is it and is that the male?

Thomas

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And I recieved this e-mail>

Yes that is the male. He is about 4 feet long and almoct 2 tears of age. Thanks Jonathan

Well I thought this was quite strange so I sent back this>

Cool, my bro and I saw one on a boa forum and thought it was the nicest looking boa we had ever seen. Do you have a picture of your male? I would really like to get it to breed with my female bci. I really like the fire red belly on them. Thanks.



Thomas

To which he replied>

Unfortanetly we do not have photos at this time, we were going to take but weve sold all but one male. And I belive it has been sold also. The buyer will get back at me by today. Have not herd from him. If you want him hes yours Satisfaction Guaranteed... Thanks Jonathan


Now this is where it gets funny, and I don't mean the kind of funny you laugh at. I mean the kind of funny where you want to take a stick and whoop some butt.
So I sent him this e-mail>

Well my brother said he would not give me his half of the money for the snake without a picture. So I guess we won’t get him. If the buyer you said you have doesn’t get him could you maybe e-mail me a picture? I sure would like to get him.

David

To which he repies>

Sure no problem. Thanks Jonathan

Then I get another e-mail from him right after with this>
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I do have a photo of the larger female from our breeder stock. Here she is, the other are most identical Thanks Jonathan


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Now I don't know who this idiot thinks he is fooling, but you can bet that he didn't even know what a Fire Belly looked like until I sent him that picture last night. The picture by the way is from here originally
http://www.boa-constrictors.com

On their Firebellies page!

I really wanted that snake, but got suspicious of the guy because he was so cagey about having a picture. Then I got #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^& when I saw the add was back up after he had told me that he had sold it. So beware of this guy and his One Stop Pet Shop. I have all the e-mails for proof if he ever surfaces to dispute this too.


David Button

	1.1 One Male and One Female

	Boa Constrictor Imperator Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor imperator). Most common is the Colombian Boa.

[ironkladd]

Well look like you got him, maybe you should let him know he is not fooling anyone..........by the way I have never seen a snake like that,,,,thats awsome

[JuliusSqueezer]

And you won't for 99 dollars

Good catch David...have you emailed kingsnake jeff, and webslob or whatever his name is at fauna?

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I have posted this same thing on the BOI at Faunaclassifieds. And I have had other corospondence with this guy which went like this>

Well after he sent me a picture of "his" female breeder I sent him an e-mail still posing as "Thomas" that was pretty strong>

You sorry piece of [**censored**]! That is the picture that is on www.Boa-constrictors.com. Who do you think you are fooling? I am going to report you to every snake buyer and seller on all the online classifieds for this one. You must be stupid if you thought you could pass that off as “Your breeder female” . You have got to be the dumbest person I have seen trying to rip people off on kingsnake.com yet. Go get a life! And a job for that matter, because you aren’t smart enough to be a crook.

Thomas


And got this in return>

I was showing the pic.the as a reference. I dont appreciate the profanity. I have been a sponser for kingsanke for 6 yrs and never have I delt with a child like your self.
Mrthomas@myjavabeans.com has beem reported for PROFANITY affilation on kingsnake.

This site is NOT for children. .... One Stop Pet Shop Inc.


Well he sure told me! Funny since I am a 39 year old man. And also funny that he reported me for my misconduct. LOL
And I also niticed that all 11 of his adds are gone too. Hmmmmm?

I sent him this e-mail in reply to his last one>

Then why did you say that it was a picture of your female?

“I do have a photo of the larger female from our breeder stock. Here she is, the other are most identical Thanks Jonathan “

I am not a child, I am a 39 year old man that knows when someone is trying to scam him, nd if you had just showed me a picture of the actual snake it would not have been a problem. But instead you tried to fool me. And by the way, if you have been on kingsnake.com for 6 years then why does it say “Registered PetHobbyist User since 2004-08-04” ??? That doesn’t look like 6 years to me. What it comes down to is that you were wrong to try to fool somebody and you got caught. #$%^&#$%^&#$%^&#$%^&, I would still buy the snake if you actually had one that looked like the one in the picture. But somehow I doubt that you do.

Thomas


I am waiting for his reply to that one now. It gets more interesting each time he e-mails me.


David

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Well things have toned down a bit now and I recieved this from Jonathan>

I will take actual photo of him tomarrow. I will send it in a attachment. The program is photo suit. Jonathan



Immediatly followed by this>

If seriously interested I will send you this male COD. You must have trust in that.

$99.00 for the snake and $39.00 shipping plus $7.50 cod charge Total. $145.73



And I replied with this>>

That sounds fine. Let me look at the picture and I will send you back an e-mail and let you know I an ready for shipment. $145.73 sounds fine. I will await your pics.

Thomas


SO now I will wait for him to send me an actual photo of the snake and if it is what he says it is then I will gladly accept it COD and gladly pay the $145.73 for it.

David

[python04slayer]

Good luck with that.

[telefrag]

Why your still willing to deal with someone who obviously has honesty issues in business is almost baffling.

regardless.

good luck.

[RevMojo]

I used to work for UPS. Just so you know, COD with them means, you pay, they hand you the box and walk off. You're no more protected by getting it COD. There used to be a company that would send COD packages to restaurants. Unsuspecting staff would hand over the $45 only to discover they had just purchased lightbulbs. I don't know if FedEx or USPS do their COD differently. I wouldn't even attempt to deal with this guy without seeing the snakes first, or sending someone to look. Phenix City is just across the state line in AL from GA, if I remember right. Perhaps someone on one of the 3 sites you've mentioned is close enough to go check it out,

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Well I mostly just wanted to put some pressure on him to produce an actual photo of the snake he was trying to sell me. But now that I have posted this here and also on the Board of Inquiry at FaunaClassifieds, and I think he has seen the posts there, he has to produce something that at least appears to be a Fire Belly in order so save his credibility. So now I am awaiting his e-mail with a picture. I am really curious as to what it will look like. Aren't you?
This move will either redeem him or crush him and his business so it should be interesting.

David