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Old 05-26-2002, 05:05 PM
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Four years ago I noticed something about hets (for Albino that is), normals and possible hets. Now don’t ask because I won’t tell you what it is exactly. Just be content that there is something that I noticed. Nearly every breeding that I have done with the Albino project successfully has been with het X het, 66% possible het X 66% possible het or het X 66% possible het. Because of this I have seen literally hundreds of possible hets. I have not produced many known hets over these last seven years. I have a number of Albino males but have not been very successful getting babies from these guys and so have not had the luxury of producing lots of known hets to keep for myself. I have had some nearly every year but not tons. So I had accidentally noticed something about the hets… I began looking around at other known hets, possible hets and normal Boas to see if this characteristic might be something that could be a possible indicator of those animals being Albino gene carriers. Don’t ask I won’t tell. I had told one breeder that I had a theory on this. He told me this information would be worth a great deal to him. I would tell him what it was if after investigating his own possible hets, if he thought there might be something to my theory he would pay me $3000. Well I told him, he paid and hasn’t asked for a refund.

Last year I bred successfully 18 pairs of possible hets. I had categorized these possible hets into two groups of Boas. Pairs where I believed both were hets, based on my theory and pairs that I thought probably both weren’t hets again based on my theory. Nine of these pairs I believed were both hets. Nine were not. Of the nine that were not one pair produced Albinos. Of the nine I thought were hets, eight proved to be both hets. Now when breeding possible he to possible het there is a 44% chance that both animals will prove to be hets. For me to be correct with 8 of 9 pairs is something of a mathematical miracle. This has proven to me that there is something to my little theory.

Unfortunately, this is and will always remain only a theory. I can’t use this theory to sell possible hets as hets and will not. However, I do use it to determine which possible hets I keep for myself. Of these that I have produced and kept specifically because I believed they were both hets I am hitting 100% so far. I am raising quite a few more possible hets with fantastic color that I believe are hets as well. Two years ago I bought a 66% possible het that Mark Kennedy, of www.marksherps.com fame. Mark had produced him after successfully breeding a pair of 66% possible hets he had purchased from me some years before. Mark had offered this animal for sale on kingsnake.com Boa Classifieds. I could tell from the picture that this Boa had the characteristic I look for and so when it was for sale for I think only $175, I bought it and he proved to be a het this year after breeding with another 66% possible het that I had raised from a baby I produced seven years ago. He is the best-looking het male I have ever seen too by the way… As time goes on I will have more data on this. Except of course the data that is most important. Guess if you will but I will not tell.

I just love figuring stuff out!

Good luck! Remember I will neither confirm nor deny any theory anyone posts here or in an email to me.

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The Boa pictured above was one of those 66% possible hets until two years ago and the Albino on her back was one of the babies she produced two years ago...
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[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Wow jeff!!
That sounds awesome.
I was just thinking the other day if there would ever be a way to tell a het from a
normal.
cant wait to see the results of further study's with this!


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Well, I think you are a sick, sick man... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

How can you come here, wet everybody's apetite for knowledge, and then walk away and leave everybody hanging on?? Sick I tell you!

I have a question : how does keeping this "theory" a secret benefits you? The only advantage I can see is you can buy "possible" hets cheap that you think "under your theory" are true hets and thus "take advantage" of the seller. This would be a little "below" what I would expect from the Boaphile...

We know it is a visible trait. So now everybody will be checking out their hets and possible hets until somebody norrows it down, or you reveal it.

I would think it would be much more rewarding to publish your theory, have it validated and be recognized for your achievement...
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Hey guys...I am moving this to Just Talk...just so everyone know where to look for it next time! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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We all know that, other wise he wouldn't be called the Boa-phile...
(in most states, the addition of 'phile' to most anything is illegal, or recocnized as a form of mental illness...)

Hehe, give him time and he may do just that, but for now I think he is being fair and letting everyone figure it out on their own.
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This is a very interesting find. I can't wait to see what this kind of information does for the herp world. I hope that it does good things.
I wish that I had your experience Jeff...and I will be watching my hets very closely to see who proves and who doesn't.

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you know I would love to know the secret. isn't it half the fun finding out the hard way. I think I know what Jeff is talking about. I would think that it has something to do with the snakes pattern. Jeff if you want to discuss this more and see if I am right contact me at joltman@redtailboa.net [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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looks like i am gonna pay him $3,000 to get it over with [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

jeff, that is an amazing theory. i bey you are totally 100% right too!

if you have neeb proving it, and doing it for yrs, its gotta be true.

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..................i understand that you dont wanna share, so sooner or later, i'll but it from you!

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well.. after days of printing out pictures of het
for albinos and normals... compairing them.. hanging them on the wall and stairing at them while i try to sleep at night,printing more.. and printing more and more and showing them to every one askin them if they see a diffrnce
i finnally found a diffrence! its pretty standout actualy.
dont know for sure if its what jeff is talking about but..
ill have to buy a pair of possible hets to see if im right [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

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