Obsolete names ??

#1 (**permalink**) 11-04-2002, 08:21 AM

Graeco Latin deficient ? [ i know I am lol] The following were formerly used for North American herps. Some are even alternative popular names which appeared in herp related literature prior to 1950. What specie are these actually refering to ? [ common or latin names ]

1. Osten-Sacken's Ribbon Snake
2. Water Rattler
3. Eel Moccasin
4. Blue Bullsnake
5. Checkered Adder
6. Flat Headed Adder
7. Rattlesnake Pilot
8. Trapjaw
9. Bleached Rattlesnake
10. Long- necked Terrapin
11. Semi-box Turtle
12. Meadow Frog
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JuliusSqueezer · #2 (**permalink**) 11-04-2002, 08:29 AM

im not gonna do a file search....just a guess or two.

I know Rattlesnake Pilot, Pilot Rattlesnake or sometimes just Pilot Snake are common names given to Black ratsnakes because they share dens and have supposedly been observed "leading" rattlesnakes to the densite. Copperheads are also sometimes refered to as the same thing for the same reason.

Flat headed adder aka spreadin' adder....hognosed snake

water rattler? I dunno...watersnake of some kind?.....or pygmy rattlers are often found around the banks of canals in Florida...shrug?

I dont have guesses for the rest at all LOL and I ain't searchin yahoo

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JuliusSqueezer · #3 (**permalink**) 11-04-2002, 08:33 AM

OH....I bet eel moccasin is a rainbow snake....since they are a watersnake that eats only or at least mainly freshwater eels.
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BWSmith · #4 (**permalink**) 11-04-2002, 04:14 PM

Just guesses from the top of my head here.

1. tough one, a rough green maybe? Can't be a ribbon snake, that would be too easy [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
2. Water Snake cause it rattles it's tail?
3. Rainbow Snake or Mud Snake
4. hmmm, Black Racer
5. Garter Snake
6. Copperhead (grasping at straws on this one )
7. Black Ratsnake
8. Easy one, that is a Cottonmouth (we still use that one [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img])
9. Crotalus lepidus (Rock Rattler), only really light one I know off the top of my head
10. Soft Shell Turtle?
11 Any box Turtle after it's been run over
12. Northern Leopard Frog

Man, I am going to score as low as Eddie usually does on these! How depressing [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]
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#5 (**permalink**) 11-06-2002, 07:06 PM

I just happened to be reading an old reptiles book to my daughter last night, and the Leopard frog was indeed referred to as the meadow frog.

1. eastern garter? thamnophis sirtilis
2. Northern Water snake Nerodia Sipedon
3. Rainbow snake, the mud snakes feeds primarily on sirens Farancia ertryogramma
4. Southern black racer coluber constrictor
5. Bullsnake? pituophis melanoleucus sayi
6. Eastern hognose heterodon platirhinos
7. Black ratsnake elaphe obseleta
8. cottonmouth akistron something
9. Timber rattler (yellow phase)? Crotalus Horridus
10. Spiny softshell, those slippery bastages apolone spinifera
11. Common Musk turtle sternopherus odurus
12. Leopard frog rana ultricurlia

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BWSmith · #6 (**permalink**) 11-06-2002, 07:10 PM

I bet you are right on the Hognose. I saw a field guide recently that had Hognoses listed as PUFF ADDERS!
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telefrag · #7 (**permalink**) 11-06-2002, 07:48 PM

>>10. Spiny softshell, those slippery bastages

HAHAHAHAHA!

I just fell over in my chair.

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Ravnos · #8 (**permalink**) 11-06-2002, 08:55 PM

#1 is the southern or peninsula ribbon. Its a subspecies of the eastern ribbon.

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#9 (**permalink**) 11-07-2002, 03:12 AM

Does that mean I got all the others correct??? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Boaguy · #10 (**permalink**) 11-08-2002, 11:43 PM

uh..huh.. I know where ya got your answers from bg hehe Noticed how the 12th one was missing just like mine is .. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

#11 (**permalink**) 11-09-2002, 06:42 AM

Been offline for a few days.. really busy this week UGH.. ANYWAYS.. Here's what I have on the answers...

1. peninsula ribbon snake [ thamnophis sauritus sackeni]
2. brown water snake [ nerodia taxispilota]
3. rainbow snake [ farancia erythrogramma]
4. indigo snake [ drymarchon corais couperi]
5. no one has this one yet...
6. hognosed snake [ heterodon sp.]
7. copperhead [ agkistrodon contortrix]
8. water moccasin [ agkistrodon poscivorus]
9. ???? close bw
10. ???
11. blandings turtle [ emydoidea reticularia]
12. DANG IT ! I'm missing the answer on this one.. I'll get it sunday though..arghh
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JuliusSqueezer · #12 (**permalink**) 11-09-2002, 08:13 AM

7 should be black ratsnake and/or copperhead.....both of the snakes are commonly called various pilot snake nicknames for the same reasons.
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wino · #13 (**permalink**) 11-09-2002, 08:17 AM

Is #5 a Cornsnake?...ya know, checkered belly scales...
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ChrisRezendes · #14 (**permalink**) 01-22-2003, 12:22 PM

1. Osten-Sacken's Ribbon Snake
2. Water Rattler
3. Eel Moccasin
4. Blue Bullsnake
5. Checkered Adder
6. Flat Headed Adder
7. Rattlesnake Pilot
8. Trapjaw
9. Bleached Rattlesnake
10. Long- necked Terrapin
11. Semi-box Turtle
12. Meadow Frog

Here are the ones that I know for sure-

1. Peninsula Ribbon Snake (ssp. name is Sackeni, which helped me come to THAT conclusion)
2. Massasauga (also referred to as Swamp Rattler to this day) AND also Cottonmouth
3. Rainbow/Mud Snake
4. Indigo Snake
5. Eastern Milk Snake (checkered belly pattern)
6. Hognose Snake
7. Black Rat
8. Cottonmouth
11. Blanding's Turtle, one MA's native species I haven't seen yet
12. Leopard Frog

Here are two I DON'T-

9. I'm thinking maybe this is a trick question in reference to bleached rattlesnake in preparation of use for boots, purse, or other such vanity items.
10. Absolutely NO idea.
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