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10-29-2002, 10:32 PM
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What ssp (not species) of rattlesnake typically doesnt develop a rattle?
and catalinensis is not an acceptable answer [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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There is no subspecies, it is Crotalus catalinensis, the Catalina Island Rattlesnake. It is also known as the Santa Catalina Rattlesnake and the Santa Catalina Island Rattlesnake, and of course the Rattleless Rattlesnake. But it is its own species, there is no ssp.
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10-29-2002, 10:59 PM
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EHHHHHHH
try again [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
It is well documented in a book by a prominent herpetologist.
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10-29-2002, 11:07 PM
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To my knowledge, there is no ssp. I have never seen a reference to a ssp for C catalinensis. Is this a paper, a book, his opinion, or widely accepted? I hope this doesn't turn into the Timber/Canebrake ordeal [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
If I find it to be a truly accepted ssp, I LOVE LEARNING RATTLERS [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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I like it when presents rattle! I want my Christmas Stocking to have a knot in it!
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10-29-2002, 11:40 PM
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OK OK, I will give a hint.
Its a relict Island form of C.ruber , answer to come!
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To my knowledge, the only two other ssp of ruber (other than ruber ruber) are Crotalus ruber lorenzoensis, San Lorenzo Island Diamond rattlesnake and Crotalus ruber lucansensis, San Lucan Island Diamond rattlesnake. I don't believe that either of these ssp are often lacking rattles.
BTW, I had to look up the ssp. Can't know 'em all off the top of your head [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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10-30-2002, 05:04 AM
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DING DING DING.
one of them was right.
lorenzoensis
Rubio:1998
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10-30-2002, 05:05 AM
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Alright,
that being said,
anyone want to take a stab at naming all the subspecies of Crotalus lepidus?
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10-30-2002, 05:41 AM
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Once again, telefrag is right on this one. On a different note, here are all the ones I can name, in alphabetical order of course [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]-
C.l.castenaeus, Neuvo Leon Rock rattlesnake
C.l.klauberi, Banded Rock rattlesnake
C.l.lepidus, Mottled Rock rattlesnake
C.l.maculosus, Durango Rock rattlesnake
C.l.morulus, Tamaulipan Rock rattlesnake
I probably didn't get them all, just the ones I could remember. I probably don't know them all anyway.
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10-30-2002, 06:05 AM
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MR.Chris has it.
Those are all im aware of.
The book all of this magic info came from:
Rattlesnake  ortrait of a predator
Manny Rubio
ISBN:1-56098-808-8
I have had this book for 3 years and just cracked it open a few months ago.
Just got done reading it,
its a must.
BW.... if you dont already have this one,
I would HIGHLY recommend it, great pictures, great info, well written,
and most of all..... its about Rattlesnakes [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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I do? Are you sure? I thought I might have been off a bit.
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I actually do not have it, although I have read much of it. My favorite pic is of Snowflake [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I will probably be seeing Manny again soon, I will have to ask him about the C. lorenzoensis. I have not heard of it being rattleless. On a side note, Manny actually stopped keeping hots. Always fun to see him and Dean Rippa int he same room [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img]
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You are quite privileged to personally know such a prominent herpetologist. I wish I did!
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It is definately one of the advantages of being active in the SHHS. I get to know many people from around the world. But get to meet only a few. Manny seems to show up at a lot of events. I need to track down a copy of his book so I can get it autographed next time. He did not make it to this years SHHS Banquet in Columbia. But many others did. Dr Seasholl (the Croc Doc) was our keynote speaker on herp vet care. Of course Dean Rippa, Roark Furgeson (sp), Rich Rumple, John Hollister, Mardi Snipes, Chris Harper, Brad Kolata, and too many other fine herpers to mention were there. Maybe Bryan Greg Frye and Mark O'Shea will make it to the next one [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Manny will often stop by our nature center center shows. he is very interesting to talk to. At the last Chatahoochee nature center we were discussing the new Midwest Pro Field Hook (the BEST feild herping tool). Even though he no longer keeps hots, Manny is still very active in the SHHS and talking to him is always a pleasure. His knowledge is amazing. I may try to track down his email and try to get him registered here [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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I do want to be clear that I am not doubting Frag's answer. I am simply saying that it is something that I did not know and am going to have to look up now. Just what I need, more research! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] Hey, ya can't know 'em all! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Verdict is in, Telefrag, good job!
*tips hat*
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Are you fricken' serious?! Mark O'Shea?! He's my ABSOLUTE favorite out of all the TV guys! I really like Jeff Corwin too, but that's just because he has my sense of humor AND he's from my homestate. But overall, I much prefer Mark O'Shea. What happened, anyway? They show him on a very irregular basis now. I guess other people didn't share my enthusiasm.
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Have you ever read Mark O'sheas book,
Field guide to the snakes of Papua/New Guinea.
Its pretty cool,
definately stays at the front of my bookshelves.
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11-06-2002, 12:08 AM
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I got one of O'Shea's books autographed at the house, I think it was like A Guide to Reptiles and Amphibians or something like that, I will have to look. Brain is not funtioning well.
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<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Brain is not funtioning well. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>
I get that ALL the time.
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