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11-04-2004, 03:14 PM
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getting a RCC-can they eat frogs & toads
I will soon be getting a RTB and have access to a lot of local toads & frogs which I can freeze to kill any parasites and then feed to my snake. I do this-w-a Copperhead and it saves a little $. I am also in the process of breeding some captive bred mice for food because the local supply is touch & go at best. I know toads can be toxic to some snakes but what about tree frogs and/or regular frogs?
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11-04-2004, 03:52 PM
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as far as i know rtb's eat primarliy rodents. never have i heard it was ok to feed toads and frogs, which is totally new to me.
i would be worried about toxins in some frogs n toads.
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11-04-2004, 03:52 PM
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I don't know what an RCC is ...did you mean BCC? but anyway, an RTB needs to eat rodents. Toads and frogs won't do. Even if it would eat frogs, it will get too big too fast for them and then there you are faced with trying to get him to eat rodents when he's used to frogs. I would be very scared to feed anything other than a hognosed snake a toad. I've given in and fed copperheads frogs and anoles before but I'm scared to even give them toads. But back to the boa, If it's a baby, start with pink rats and go up in size gradually as the snake grows. If you get him started and used to rats right away, you will be glad you did later. |
11-04-2004, 04:18 PM
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Did I say RCC? I suppose I did but of course meant to write BCC. I have a copperhead and he loves toads but I beleive I will take the advice and not go-w-these for the BCC unless someone says it is tried & true. Just trying to take advantage of a free source of food. My neo copperhead loves tree frogs when I can get them but he is too small for mice so I hope the pickies/fuzzy mice come soon. I just found this forum and am new to RTB. I can't wait to get him! I've had Ball Pythons but these seem much more interesting. |
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Interesting, did a quick literature search regarding prey items of copperheads and Bufo wasn't listed? Are you feeding your copperhead Bufo or Gastrophryne or Scaphiopus?
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11-05-2004, 12:16 AM
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Sorry for the ignorant reply but I would not know a Bufo from any other frog/toad. Perhaps you could educate me on the various species or point me to a site where I can gain the knowledge to offer a better responce.
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11-05-2004, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by challenger
Sorry for the ignorant reply but I would not know a Bufo from any other frog/toad. Perhaps you could educate me on the various species or point me to a site where I can gain the knowledge to offer a better responce.
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This site should be useful: http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/frogs_and_...f_virginia.htm
As NC and VA have many Anurans in common. If possible perhaps you could post a photo of the toads that you're feeding.
Thanks,
John
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green treefrog (Hyla cinerea),southern toad (Bufo terrestris) and one of the Rana (spotted or leopard) species are all plentifull here in SE NC and I have some for my copperhead so was wondering if they are OK for a RTB? If I had to guese (which I won't-w-an expensive snake) I would think one of the Rana species would be fine but I would love some confirmation.
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Would it be possible for you to get a nice clear photo of your copperhead eating a southern toad? From a natural history stand-point the fact that a copperhead would eat a Bufo has not been documented, even under captive conditions.
My knowledge is mainly of indigenous critters and crocodilians. I *believe* that all the Rana species would be fine except for Rana palustris (Pickerel Frog) which produces fairly toxic secretions. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, feeding a RTB indigenous frogs is not a common practice and at best, would expose the RTB to unnecessary and perhaps unknown risks. I would be very surprised to find any scientific research regarding the effects of consumption of indigenous frogs on RTBs. In short, I don't think you'll find confirmation.
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as said before don't feed a snake the frog or toads that you have there in NC..the rtb's in the wilds of south america couldnt eat a frog from NC..that's an obvious given.
IMO i would just dish out the 1 or 2 bux a week for a rat for the snake and let it eat what it naturally eats in the wild. you don't know what concenquences will be handed to the snake if you feed them something they're not suppose to eat. plus amphibians hold no nutrional values for what the snake really needs...frogs arent really an excellent source of calcium because of their rather pathetic bone structure and skulls compare to a rat's.
just remember the rule of thumb...one prey item = to the girth of the largest part of the snake's body. |
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Ok then why do they easily take mice breed in VA - HUH? (just kidding). How about big Macs-I know there are McDonalds in Columbia.
Actually I am a stuborn (and immature 47 yr old) skeptic that says nature would tell the snake if it was OK or not to eat. Of course I will take the advice of this forum as experience outweights my stupidity/inexperience but if anyone out there has a RTB " Guinue Pig" I'll be happy to supply the frogs & toads. My bet is they scoop them up like the all you can eat patron at Golden Corral (I can't stand that place-yuch)
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