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Old 10-22-2004, 12:02 PM
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Hi guys, just a quick question. I got one of the $25.00 Vita-Lights that are made just for pets. My question is what is the difference if any between them and the full spectrue light for plants that you get get for around $7 to $12.00?

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wow---where shall I begin? LOL
First of all which animal are you using this for?
VLs do little for UVB loving reptiles.....for a day cycle though this choice is fine. Many hobbyists believe daycycles are a requirement for all captives for psychological health.
If though, you are buying this for an Iguana, BD, WD, or any other UVB needing reptile, this light will be a bad choice with all we now know about UVB.
Many years ago, this was the bulb of choice....now most of us realize the need for quality UVB output. Most of our opinions are now changed due to the addition of UVB meters to husbandry equiptment.
There is a group on Yahoo that discusses UVB and members test bulbs constantly with meters. Membership is totally free---and you can join just to read findings ----it's worth it.
I am in the group and rarely post due to time restraints but I do own a meter and read the interesting posts as they are written.
look into UVBMETER OWNERS at yahoo groups.
But to answer your question, you do tend to get what you pay for with bulbs. Full spectrum---does not mean what most people think. It's an advertising ploy that means close to nothing.
So if you get back to me on a species----I can then direct you to a bulb
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Thanks for the information and time to reply. I'm talking about lighting for my burmese and also my redtail.

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wow a thousand guesses and I would have been wrong (I was convinced we were discussing a lizard)
For snakes you really do not need to worry about UVB. Many people do not use artificial light cycles at all---a large majority of snake enthusiasts rely on natural sun (the light that comes in your home as the sun rises and falls) to seperate day/night.
There are some though who believe in a timed cycle, either because their home is very dark or just out of personal preference. (Keep in mind though albino animals are very sensitive to light and articial light should not be use for these creatures) For your snake the light you originally chose would be fine. If a day cycle is what you are after. They do not give off heat so the light would just be light though.
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I just read this on the UVB list. Interesting:
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Subject: Re: [UVB_Meter_Owners] snakes and UVB



There are quite a few examples in the UK of snakes going blind (cataracts)
because of Uv and even just bright lighting.

_http://www.livefoodshop.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=11471&hl=blind+snake_

(http://www.livefoodshop.co.uk/forum/...hl=blind+snake)

Here is a post by Maureen Collinson who has been rescuing and studying
reptiles for many years and is very well respected in her field.

There does however seem some evidence of certain snakes such as Tiger Rats
needing or at least benefiting from limited UV exposure. It would seem an hour
a day is all thats required for these snakes.

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Now this is just an opinion like I said.
I will forward this link to JS to see what he thinks.
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another post (from BobMac):

--- In UVB_Meter_Owners@yahoogroups.com, "theldara" <theldara@p...>
wrote:
>
> here (though my leos do bask under normal bulbs, which people say
> they aren't supposed to do either). I've heard that it can be
helpful
> to some types of snakes when they are being problem feeders or
trying
> to cycle for breeding. I've never heard anything conclusive though
on
> UVB positives or negatives.

Below is really great stuff from Frances and agrees with the Ferguson
paper in the files section. Just FYI stuff for the nerds here. (This
kind of information just gives me the goose bumps. Hows that for the
old fat x-biker guy being a nerd?)

BM

Abstract of Carman, Ferguson et al.'s article comparing D3 synthesis
in house geckos and spiny lizards.

Carman, Elliott N., Gary W. Ferguson, William H. Gehrmann, Tai C.
Chen, and Michael F. Holick. 2000. Photobiosynthetic opportunity
and ability for UV-B generated vitamin D synthesis in free-Living
House Geckos (Hemidactylus turcicus) and Texas Spiny Lizards
(Sceloporus olivaceous). Copeia. 0(1):245-250.

Copeia is the journal of the American Society of Ichthyologists and
Herpetologists, website: http://www.asih.org/index.html
Abstracts of articles published in Copeia are online, via the Allen
Press website at
http://apt.allenpress.com/aptonline/...ive&issn=0045-
8511
and a search brought up this abstract at:

http://apt.allenpress.com/aptonline/...act&issn=0045-
8511&volume=000&issue=01&page=0245

Abstract:
The opportunity and ability to photobiosynthesize vitamin D(3) by
exposing skin to ultraviolet-B (UVB) irradiation from the sun was
compared using the nocturnal/ crepuscular Mediterranean House Gecko
Hemidactylus turcicus and the diurnal Texas Spiny Lizard Sceloporus
olivaceous. Texas spiny lizards had a greater opportunity for
photobiosynthetic production of vitamin D(3) than geckos. This was
revealed by vitamin D(3) photoproduct production in models (ampoules
containing an alcohol solution of vitamin D(3) precursor) placed at
locations inhabited by free-living lizards at similar times of
occupancy. Alternatively, geckos seemed able to maximize their
limited photobiosynthetic opportunity with a higher rate of
conversion of provitamin D(3) to photoproducts. This was revealed by
photoproduct conversion in patches of lizard skin exposed to
ultraviolet lamps in the laboratory. Stomach-content analysis showed
the spiny lizards to have dietary sources of vitamin D(3), the geckos
may or may not. This is the first documentation that mostly nocturnal
geckos may rely on photobiosynthesis of vitamin D(3) and that they
might have a more sensitive mechanism than diurnal lizards to
compensate for their limited exposure to natural UVB radiation.
Future studies should investigate sexual, seasonal, age, and species
differences in photobiosynthetic opportunity and ability.
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