Very Ill Elderly Snake - Page 3

morti · #41 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakegurl13

well, as i am only here for opinions

No you're not. You are obviously here for people to prase you and tell you how good you are for rescuing this snake. People who want advise or opinions on a sick snake don't try to impress other people with their vast knowledge about the topic at hand. The accept the advice given and act on it.

I personally don't believe that you have a vet report that says mbd. I think you are lieing in order to show me persIonally that I was wrong in chat yesterday.

I think you are an attention seeking brat who wants to hear how great a thing she is doing. What you are actually doing is denying vet care to a very sick snake. That doesn't make you good. That makes you a monster.

Ps... this was me being nice.

louise · #42 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:22 AM

all i am gonna say is my free boa cost me 1500.00 in surgerys. she also had 5 layers of eyecaps on her eyes. i took the responsibility and i paid the price

but she has been worth every penny of the 1500.00

Snakegurl13 · #43 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by morti

No you're not. You are obviously here for people to prase you and tell you how good you are for rescuing this snake. People who want advise or opinions on a sick snake don't try to impress other people with their vast knowledge about the topic at hand. The accept the advice given and act on it.
I personally don't believe that you have a vet report that says mbd. I think you are lieing in order to show me persIonally that I was wrong in chat yesterday.
I think you are an attention seeking brat who wants to hear how great a thing she is doing. What you are actually doing is denying vet care to a very sick snake. That doesn't make you good. That makes you a monster.
Ps... this was me being nice.

I'm not looking for recognition for anything. And i dont claim to be perfect, but i dont lie on random websites for attention. I do have to say, its sad that "reptile websites" like this exist un attended, cause i was hoping to find people who were looking to share information on snakes peer to peer, without stupid arguments, and assumptions being made. But.. i suppose i didnt loose anything by trying to find someone who might know a little on here... So those of you who gave true input, thank you!

Rachel SS · #44 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakegurl13

I'm not looking for recognition for anything. And i dont claim to be perfect, but i dont lie on random websites for attention. I do have to say, its sad that "reptile websites" like this exist un attended, cause i was hoping to find people who were looking to share information on snakes peer to peer, without stupid arguments, and assumptions being made. But.. i suppose i didnt loose anything by trying to find someone who might know a little on here... So those of you who gave true input, thank you!

so what's the verdict? are you going to take the snake to another vet?

HERPHAPPY · #45 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by louise

all i am gonna say is my free boa cost me 1500.00 in surgerys. she also had 5 layers of eyecaps on her eyes. i took the responsibility and i paid the price

but she has been worth every penny of the 1500.00

And for that you get

Sounds like a new thread: The TRUE price of that free boa!

louise · #46 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:33 AM

why did you post this thread? you did not to get people opinions obviously. so morti must be right. what other reason is there? do you want us to say your snake dont need or deserve a vet visit? not gonna happen on this website. it is a reptile forum and the reptiles are what we care about. yah know most of the time a free snake is not really a free snake. you took the responsibility of this snake now for gods sake follow through. one vet visit will not break you.

Coffee Succubus · #47 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakegurl13

I'm not looking for recognition for anything. And i dont claim to be perfect, but i dont lie on random websites for attention. I do have to say, its sad that "reptile websites" like this exist un attended, cause i was hoping to find people who were looking to share information on snakes peer to peer, without stupid arguments, and assumptions being made. But.. i suppose i didnt loose anything by trying to find someone who might know a little on here... So those of you who gave true input, thank you!

But people have given you VERY useful information and you've spit back in their faces, not accepting it at all. Or at least have not been seeming to even accept it!

That is why people are retorting and questioning you. The whole thing is VERY questionable.

Because you do seem very "Miss Know-it-all" in your replies and are telling us we're wrong and not even considering that it may be you who is wrong.

In all reality... I think you may be scared of a vet bill. And maybe you thought, "Hey, the snake is elderly I won't have to deal with it for that long." Well guess what, my dear... you have yourself a good 20-30 years of responsibility on your hands - if the boa even lasts that long.

Keri · #48 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:44 AM

This thread makes me sad.

I'm not sure how you can know if any "symptoms have changed" if you've only just gotten him but.... humour us here, take him to see a qualified herp vet, the exam should cost you less than $100 for him simply to look at him if there is really nothing wrong it won't be too expensive.

Hartsock · #49 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:46 AM

It is so nice to see nothing has changed....

Person comes in asking for advice...they are given good sound advice...they don't like said advice and state they are doing something else...

Sets the stage for a member to get what has been called here "rude" when really they are just stating facts by other members which incures some bickering, however, after the OP continues on the path then those people who called others rude then start being rude themselves because then it becomes okay..or some such thing....

all the while the OP isn't going to take any of the advice whatsoever rendering this a waste of computer memory and time.

Want to do what's right and good...take the snake to a knowledge vet or kill it. Suck it up and do what is right but having your head shoved in the sand is just a bunch of BS. Put the thing out of it's misery or even if it isn't in misery put it down so you can rest your own mind and find the attention you need elsewhere... (there...that's rude.)

louise · #50 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 06:47 AM

i suppose if i offered to pay the vet bill you still would not want to drive him to a qualified vet? i mean is that to much responsiblity to a pet you took responsibility for?

louise · #51 (**permalink**) 07-30-2010, 07:25 AM

snakegurl i need advice from you now. i tried to go to bed since i have to get up early and i could not sleeep thinking about your snake. tell me, how do you sleep at night?

Icicle · #52 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 06:13 AM

I have thought about this all day, I am reopening this thread.
I have little doubt the OP will get a new vet exam, But I have also seen people change by persuasion from others to do so.

Sakara · #53 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 06:44 AM

well since i didn't get to post here last night...

I just can't understand how anyone can think that having layers of stuck eyecaps would be a "cosmetic removal"... they are SUPPOSE to come off and they have obviously been neglected... they need to come off... and as others have stated, MBD is not a snake disease... it's calcium related... you can believe this "herpetologist" all you like, ask to see his degree in herpetology and/or animal medicine??? but he is wrong and that animal is being neglected and abused by that treatment... if I got an animal in that looked like that I would be at the next available vet appointment I could get...

and if I EVER saw a snake like that in someones care, I would report them for animal cruelty if they refused to give me the animal... they way I see it is that, would you leave a dog you own to rot with mange? well that's what's happening to that snake... it's being allowed to rot away with a condition that could really easily be helped...

I seriously hope that you get this animal to a vet or surrender it to someone who will get it proper care... I know none of the ppl posting here are vets but a number of them have been PROPERLY caring for snakes for 10,20, 30 maybe even more years in some cases... listen to them... they don't know you or the person that you got the snake from, but they care about the animal reguardless... obviously the previous owner(s) of your snake did not... at least not enough to fix a simple issue or 2 that could have been taken care of right away to prevent that poor animal from suffering like it is now... how would you feel if you had the piles of eyecaps removed and found out that he isn't blind and was simply suffering due to neglect????

think about it.....

Jdgonzo · #54 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 06:44 AM

Let me start by saying thanks for re-opening the thread Ice, and finish by putting this out there; About 5 years ago my, now mother-in-law, was diagnosed with cancer and only give a 6 month term to live, she was crushed and depressed we told her to get a second opinion from a Dr. with more time in the field and after about 2 months she did so only to be told the first prognosis was incorrect and she had a FEW years to live. Now 5 years later she is till running strong....I guess what I am getting at is 1 Dr. is not always going to see what the problem is or is not. If you really do care for your friend then take him to ANOTHER vet and let them help you.

louise · #55 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 02:01 PM

you named this thread 'HELP very ILL elderly snake' you asked for help and you admitted it is very ill. but after people posted you did not want their help and you are even saying he is not sick????? if you bit off more then you can chew with this snake i am sure someone from this site would take him and get him the care he needs. you would not need to feel bad cause many people have bit off more then they can chew. believe me when i got my boa she had 5 layers of eye caps and they had to come off. if this boa can get the help it needs it can live comfortably the rest of its life. this boa is not an elderly boa like the title of this thread says, he probably isn't even done with half his life if given proper care. we all only have one life, lets not waste his. please.

Stargazer · #56 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 02:22 PM

Hi Snakegurl, I have read the whole thread. I apologize for the few here that like to be jerks. However, of the ones who come off as rude, morti is one worth listening to. He has years of experience and is a wealth of knowledge. If he told me to dye my snakes orange, I would probably do it. (Now watch, he will pm me and tell me to do that).

Also, as a little background, there are people here--louise, for instance--who have rescued snakes in equally bad condition--and spent a small fortune nursing them back to health.

My thoughts: If you are going to keep boas, you absolutely need access to a vet who can treat them and the resources to pay for it. This, IMO, is a requirement, like lighting and heating are requirements. Also, if the snake is going to be blind anyway (which you don't know for sure), what would be the harm in having a vet remove the eyecaps to prevent fungus build-up? Just wondering--I'm not the expert.

Please keep us posted. People here are snake lovers, and some will lose sleep worrying about this snake.

AGActaeonia · #57 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 03:51 PM

Aren <3 his Sick Uncle Morti.

Aaron-Insular · #58 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakegurl13

well, as i am only here for opinions, i dont care if your rude. doesnt break my heart any. BUT, i never said that a herpetologist is not the same as a vet... im not that i'll informed. But the herpetologist that previously owned him took him to several "highly trained vets" who specialized in snakes. The snake has reportedly been like this for many years, as his condition has not changed. so i see no reason to re evaluate him inless he has new symptoms...

you are so ignorant it is utterly painful and I can no longer read through this thread. If you are not willing to spend the money to take this snake to get a second opinion you are undeserving to keep the animal! I don't think Ice scratched the surface of being rude, and if I were to say everything I wanted to say here I'd sure be banned! People go to the doctors and get misdiagnosed by trained professionals ALL THE TIME! what makes you think that this could not happen with VETS

tucuxi88 · #59 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 08:33 PM

I think the OP has been scared off.

No matter how true everyone's statements may be, this isn't the right way. Whether we just want to educate the owner or save this boa, having 10 different people telling her what a miserable job she's doing isn't going to help the situation progress much. I'm sure in person most of us would have already found a way to convince her to give away her a boa or take it ourselves (or at least get it to a vet) but forums are a completely different situation. If anything offer help, she still is a hundred times better than people who have suffering animals and just let them suffer until they died. The fact that she cared enough to find a snake forum and post about this animal gives me hope that she might do the right thing.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

LdyDrgn · #60 (**permalink**) 07-31-2010, 09:56 PM

I wouldn't say she has been scared off. I would guess she left because she isn't getting anyone to tell her what she wants to hear.

Sorry... but that isn't going to happen here.

She asked for help IN CHAT prior to opening this thread and Morti told her exactly what he said here: That it was "a symptom of systemic bacterial infection"... or as Telefrag put a name to it: osteomyelitis. Then she states she wasn't asking. mmhmm... right.

She would much rather believe the opinion of someone with a degree... not all people with degrees are experts. A degree merely states they have passed all the classes.

And you know what? Not all experts have degrees.

If you refuse to get that snake proper help, then at least put it out of its misery. This is called "doing the right thing" whether you like it or not. NO animal should EVER suffer. And suffering is what it is doing even though you can't hear him cry.

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