Online Pet meds without an Rx

Tempest666 · #1 (**permalink**) 05-14-2010, 09:02 AM

Are there any online pharmacies where I can get baytril without a script? My retic has a mild RI and my vet is out of town. He isn't too bad, and I don't like taking him to another vet.

reticguy69 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-07-2010, 04:44 AM

no. you have to have a licensed vet fax a script to any online pharmacies

Mojorising · #3 (**permalink**) 06-07-2010, 05:04 AM

Baytril (enrofloxacin) is available online not sure how reliable these sources are but I researched this before. It must be kept refrigerated so beware of vendors who do not package properly before shipping.

Here are the links

My vet charged me $95 for 22ml

Best wishes to you hope your retic recovers but he likely needs to see the vet.

I just spent $600 on three vet visits on a 17 year old rescue boa with RI and mouth rot he is looking fine now but still wont eat he snatched at dead rat a couple weeks ago but would not swallow it. I have offered him several others, small of course but nothing.

Just got off work and its time to soak him and clean his mouth again with nolvasan.

I hate the constant worry it will be a happy day when he takes him first meal on my watch.

Kind Reguards

Tom · #4 (**permalink**) 06-07-2010, 05:22 AM

Here is some info from my website.

Meds for snakes Respiratory Infection (RI) or any type of Infections:

RI are caused by a bacterial infection in the lungs. The general causes of RI are due to inadequate and improper environmental conditions. Stress, low temperatures, dirty enclosures, mistreatment, lack of food and water can all cause RI. These conditions will surely prolong any RI condition. Symptoms include breathing problems including wheezing, whistling, clicking sounds, gaping open mouth, even an audible noise during exhalations. You will notice bubbles and mucous around the mouth and nostrils. The position of the head may be held in a raised position to make breathing easier. Overall lethargy, possible weight loss, and even a swollen or bloated body can be noticed. Immediately raise the ambient temperature of the enclosure to 88 to 92 degrees. Lowering the humidity will also help in the recovery of an RI problem. Consult your veterinarian as soon as possible. Antibiotic medication may be needed for bad RI problems.

I am not a Vet nor a Vet Tec or licensed in anyway to give meds I am only retelling what has worked for me. Always get your Vets opinion first before using any medications! There is no substitute for a qualified reptile Vet. All meds should be injected in the first 1/4 of the snakes body just under the skin just off to the side of the back bone / spine. Don't inject it in to the spine as this could kill your snake.

Tylan:
You can buy Tylan at any Tractor supply store or farm animal supply store. It is used for cattle and pigs. You can give this by injections or orally. This med is farley safe and you don't have to worry about over dosing your snake.

When I use Tylan 50 I give .04cc / ml. for every 1 lbs of snake. I give one injection every 3 days for a total of 3 injections.

When I use Tylan 200 I give .02cc / ml. for every 1 lbs of snake. I give one injection every 3 days for a total of 3 injections.

With both Tylan 50 and 200 give 3 injection total then stop giving meds. If RI is still present after 5 or 7 day of the third injection then repeat for one more treatment. I had one boa that had a bad RI and I up the dosage to 1 ml. of Tylan 50 every day for 6 days. I even injected 2 ml. of Tylan into the rat the boa ate. (the rat was frozen thawed) The boa weights about 12 lbs. I have to inject this boa as he always spits up the Tylan if I give it to him orally.

Take care
Tom

sFlsniper · #5 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Here is some info from my website.
Meds for snakes Respiratory Infection (RI) or any type of Infections:
RI are caused by a bacterial infection in the lungs. The general causes of RI are due to inadequate and improper environmental conditions. Stress, low temperatures, dirty enclosures, mistreatment, lack of food and water can all cause RI. These conditions will surely prolong any RI condition. Symptoms include breathing problems including wheezing, whistling, clicking sounds, gaping open mouth, even an audible noise during exhalations. You will notice bubbles and mucous around the mouth and nostrils. The position of the head may be held in a raised position to make breathing easier. Overall lethargy, possible weight loss, and even a swollen or bloated body can be noticed. Immediately raise the ambient temperature of the enclosure to 88 to 92 degrees. Lowering the humidity will also help in the recovery of an RI problem. Consult your veterinarian as soon as possible. Antibiotic medication may be needed for bad RI problems.
I am not a Vet nor a Vet Tec or licensed in anyway to give meds I am only retelling what has worked for me. Always get your Vets opinion first before using any medications! There is no substitute for a qualified reptile Vet. All meds should be injected in the first 1/4 of the snakes body just under the skin just off to the side of the back bone / spine. Don't inject it in to the spine as this could kill your snake.
Tylan:
You can buy Tylan at any Tractor supply store or farm animal supply store. It is used for cattle and pigs. You can give this by injections or orally. This med is farley safe and you don't have to worry about over dosing your snake.
When I use Tylan 50 I give .04cc / ml. for every 1 lbs of snake. I give one injection every 3 days for a total of 3 injections.
When I use Tylan 200 I give .02cc / ml. for every 1 lbs of snake. I give one injection every 3 days for a total of 3 injections.
With both Tylan 50 and 200 give 3 injection total then stop giving meds. If RI is still present after 5 or 7 day of the third injection then repeat for one more treatment. I had one boa that had a bad RI and I up the dosage to 1 ml. of Tylan 50 every day for 6 days. I even injected 2 ml. of Tylan into the rat the boa ate. (the rat was frozen thawed) The boa weights about 12 lbs. I have to inject this boa as he always spits up the Tylan if I give it to him orally.
Take care
Tom

do you just skin pop the injection? what site do you use?

thanks

Tom · #6 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sFlsniper

do you just skin pop the injection? what site do you use?
thanks

I am not a Vet nor a Vet Tec or licensed in anyway to give meds I am only retelling what has worked for me. Always get your Vets opinion first before using any medications! There is no substitute for a qualified reptile Vet.

All meds should be injected in the first 1/4 of the snakes body just under the skin in the muscle just off to the side of the back bone / spine. Don't inject it in to the spine as this could kill your snake. Some meds can be given orally so check with your vet before administering any meds.

Take care
Tom

HERPHAPPY · #7 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom

..... If RI is still present after 5 or 7 day of the third injection then repeat for one more treatment.

Meaning another series of three injections (or oral doses), or just ONE more???
Thanks again!

Tom · #8 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HERPHAPPY

Meaning another series of three injections (or oral doses), or just ONE more???
Thanks again!

Another series of three injections.

I am not a Vet nor a Vet Tec or licensed in anyway to give meds I am only retelling what has worked for me.

Take care
Tom

Sakara · #9 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 09:09 PM

As Tom said, be VERY careful where you give the snake an injection... and going to a vet for the proper dosage for your particular animal is best...

But... The first 1/4 of the snake thing... I didn't know when I gave my retic injections and now he has 2 nasty baytril burns on him... It may be because of the injection area because the first shot I gave him did not result in a burn and it was on the top 1/4 of his body... Baytril burns are not pretty and I feel terrible... He's going to have a couple icky scars there... It's always best to get proper dosages from your vet... I had proper vet dosages and he STILL got burns... You deff. don't want to give too much........

HERPHAPPY · #10 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sakara

As Tom said, be VERY careful where you give the snake an injection... and going to a vet for the proper dosage for your particular animal is best...

But... The first 1/4 of the snake thing... I didn't know when I gave my retic injections and now he has 2 nasty baytril burns on him... It may be because of the injection area because the first shot I gave him did not result in a burn and it was on the top 1/4 of his body... Baytril burns are not pretty and I feel terrible... He's going to have a couple icky scars there... It's always best to get proper dosages from your vet... I had proper vet dosages and he STILL got burns... You deff. don't want to give too much........

I have not ever tried Tylan, nor do I have any snakes in need of it now, but I like knowing options. This area is a little thin on skilled reptile vets.

I have given shots to snakes before, but it's not my favorite thing. If I ever try this, I'd be more apt to use it orally first, as I'm a skilled tube-feeder!
Injections seem more risky, esp. if it's a smaller snake (and most of mine are!) as you have to miss the spine and also the lungs!

My vets have said if the injection is not given in the upper 1/4th the medicine is not apt to circulate adequately, by the way. (I once had a vet give an injection in the lower 1/4th!!! and what a shock, it did not help!)

thanks again Tom-who-is-not-a licensed-vet/tech....

(I'm kidding, I understand covering your tail...)

Sakara · #11 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 09:25 PM

yea... one of the shots I didn't really have any help here to give it (it was while Ryan was at a month long training thing) so I got what I could and it was in his lower 1/3... That's the nastiest of the 2 burns

I feel terrible... Some of the guys have said that retics are a little more sensitive to baytril then other snakes... I didn't have any problems giving my burm shots when she needed them... and no baytril burns on my burm

HERPHAPPY · #12 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sakara

yea... one of the shots I didn't really have any help here to give it (it was while Ryan was at a month long training thing) so I got what I could and it was in his lower 1/3... That's the nastiest of the 2 burns

I feel terrible... Some of the guys have said that retics are a little more sensitive to baytril then other snakes... I didn't have any problems giving my burm shots when she needed them... and no baytril burns on my burm

Wow! That had to have been fun!??

Sakara · #13 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 10:02 PM

no... not at all... LOL... and I do NOT recommend it... that animal requires a minimum of 3 ppl to hold him still long enough to poke him... I LITERALLY had to LAY across him when he was getting checked out at the vet... He's not aggressive, but he's not a shoulder snake...

Tom · #14 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakara

As Tom said, be VERY careful where you give the snake an injection... and going to a vet for the proper dosage for your particular animal is best...

But... The first 1/4 of the snake thing... I didn't know when I gave my retic injections and now he has 2 nasty baytril burns on him... It may be because of the injection area because the first shot I gave him did not result in a burn and it was on the top 1/4 of his body... Baytril burns are not pretty and I feel terrible... He's going to have a couple icky scars there... It's always best to get proper dosages from your vet... I had proper vet dosages and he STILL got burns... You deff. don't want to give too much........

The baytril burns are because you more than likely didn't get the injection deep enough into the muscle. If it close to the top of the skin or some leaks out of the injection site it will leave a burn mark. I have been told by my Vet if you give an injection below the first 1/4 of the snakes body you could cause kidney damage with some meds.

Take care
Tom

Tom · #15 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 10:25 PM

To help give snakes shots you could use a 1 1/2 to 2 foot long PVC tube that is the right size for your snake. Cut a 1/2 to 3/4 inch hole in the side of the PVC tube about 2 to 4 inches from one end. Then put the snakes head first into the end of the PVC tube, the end with the hole cut in the side. This way you can hold your snake in the tube with one hand and give the shot with the other hand through the hole. The tube is similar to what you see some venoms breeder use to examine there snakes with.

Now for some of the bigger burms I have had to give shots to I just lay on top of them with my whole body to hold them down and give the shot as quick as I can.

take care
Tom

Sakara · #16 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 10:28 PM

I wish I would have thought of that at the time lol. he is a 12fiot jampea though LOL. i wonder how hard it would be to get him tubed

Tom · #17 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sakara

I wish I would have thought of that at the time lol. he is a 12fiot jampea though LOL. i wonder how hard it would be to get him tubed

I tried the tube with a 12 + foot long burm and she got stuck in the tube. It took me over an hour to slowly and very careful cut the tube off of her. Luckily she was very tame and I think she knew what I was doing and just laid still most of the time as I cut the tube off of her. So now with the big snakes I just lay on top of them. I am 6' 2" and 270 lbs so it dose help being big myself when doing this.

take care
Tom

Sakara · #18 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 11:19 PM

haha, yea you are a tad bit larger then me

I deff. need help when doing it haha

EricIvins · #19 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 11:31 PM

You either use the first or last 1/3 of the Snake, and never use the same injection site. Rotate sides when you have to do multiple doses. Whether you go IM or Sub-Q depends on the Anti-Biotic. Renal damage will happen when using any Anti-Biotic that's been mis-dosed or if the animal is dehydrated, which is usually why your Vet should tell you to do Saline Ringers near the injection site(s). Baytril is outdated to begin with, so I really don't know why using it is so in-grained in Herpetoculture. There are quite a few first generation ABs coming into the market that actually work, as alot of the second generation ABs have been grossly mis-used and as a result aren't effective in treating anything. Identify the Bacteria your dealing with, and use the medication that works. Throwing a general AB at it doesn't help anyone, but being strategic does........

louise · #20 (**permalink**) 07-24-2010, 11:33 PM

the first year of me owning chances she got baytril shots. she never squirmed or made it dificult. i took it way worse then her. if it is a mild RI i would get the whole enclosure to 90-93 degrees and cut humidity to 30%. my guyana got shipped to me with a RI and since i caught it right away i just did that and in a week-two weeks it was gone.

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