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Old 06-09-2006, 01:12 AM
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Retained Shed and Scalerot

Not quite sure what caused this, but I am taking Mrs. Nesbit in to take care of her needs. First off, check out the pictures and I will let you know what is going on...




As you no doubtedly had guessed, this is bacterial, or in other words, a developing case of scalerot.

The thing is, I'm not sure what provoked it, nor do I know how to necessarily cure it. As you may have remembered, there was a thread posted earlier on this same situation, except before it was just a case of retained shed.

So, the question is... which do I take care of first? Do I start using antibiotic creams right off the bat or do I try to get the retained skin off?

I could use a bit of advice right now. My girlfriend left to pick her up and I am leaving to get some supplies. Let me know what you would reccomend taking care of.
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I have no experience with both problems.. so wait til one of the more reputable members posts, but IMO I would think the bacterial infection should be cured first....But please wait to see what they say! Im interested to know the outcome, and I hope she gets better soon!
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WOW.... really sorry!!!!! hope things work out, dont have any exp here. Wish i could help you, i really do .. Like i said i hope things turn around !!!!!
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Ulcerative Dermatitis (Scale Rot)

Symptoms: Discolored (pink, red, or brown) ventral
scales, Chipped Ventral scales. Usually only 1 to 3 scales are infected but often
breaks out in multiple areas. Sometimes it effects only part of the infected scales.

Causes: The most common cause of Scale rot is one that
can not be easily forseen therefore not easily avoided. Infections often start from within the animal and work their way
out to the skin. This is what is known as a secondary infection. The primary other infection that has your animals immuno system broken down needs to be quickly identified and treated. Chances are, when it's cleared up and the immuno system kicks back in, between the natural immunities working again and whatever antiboitics you were treating the other infection with, it will go away too. The most common husbandry cause that CAN be avoided however is
bacteria grown in dried urates left in the cage, especially in the basking area.
When a snake lays in this to bask, the combination of heat and the bacteria found
in feces and urates can become very dangerous. Another cause is overexposure to damp
substrate or oversoaking in dirty water. Snakes with mites will soak for extended periods to drown
them. This will sometimes cause scale rot. Ball and blood pythons seem to be
the most susceptible of the boids but any reptile can have this condition.

What to do: Neosporin, Polysporin, or any Triple
antibiotic ointment that does not incorporate Lidocaine or any pain medicine is very
effective in clearing this up. Remove all substrate and clean or keep the infected
snake in a secure plastic storage container with air holes and a water bowl large enough
to drink from but too small to soak in while treating. It is normal for no apparent
improvement to be noticed until the next shed. But, any skin irritation such as this
will cause a snake to go into a shed cycle, sometimes even back to back sheds until it all
clears up. Keep rubbing Neosporin on the bad scales twice a day and make sure the
snake is clean and dry. Or...if you can get it, SILVER SULFADIAZINE aka Silvadene cream is the best broad spectrum anibiotic ointment on the market but it required a prescription. Being allowed to burrow or crawl through any substrate at
this time is a bad idea. There is no way any Neosporin or whatever will remain on the snake's
belly and there is no way to keep it clean. This is why it is important to place the
animal in a substrate free enclosure during treatment. If at any time redness
spreads out over a larger area than where the infected scales are or if any puss oozes
from the wounds, or it continues to get worse, a trip to the vet will be necessary.
At this point the infection could very well become septic. Septicemia (blood
poisoning) will quickly spread to multiple vital organs and kill the animal in as little
as six weeks so a series of antibiotic injections will be needed.
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Thanks for posting that muzix!!! So it could be the reason for the sheds...
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OK, cool.

So I should remove ALL substrate and just keep her on glass? What about heating requirements and humidity? Same as normal?
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I wouldn't leave her on bare glass if you have a UTH. Put her in a tote till she's better. That's a pretty wide spread rash she's got going there. Has she had any RI symptoms? Trouble passing urates? Any sign of any type of infection? Either way, that could easily lead to septicimia (blood poisoning) and kill her. Topical antibiotic ointment is a good start but she probably is going to need some injected or oral antibiotics as well. You are going to need to hook up with your vet pretty much right away.
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OK, I will call them for an emergency appointment tomorrow.

I have a tote that originally came from Kent that I can use, so that aspect is covered. So.. no heat at all on her or what, in the tote?

RI: No
Urates... I don't think so.
Infection? Not sure what you mean by that. She's been acting very normal and this has just come up in the last couple of days. It started as what looked to be a retained shed... or even just some earlier signs of the scalerot.. I'm not sure. The thread is around here somewhere, but from what I saw it looked to be extremely dry and a couple layers of skin also looked to be there. Lately, my brother (who was the previous keeper) had been soaking her every couple of days under the assumption that it was retained shed... which I was 99.9% positive it was and thought that would be the best idea for the time. So, I really don't know how this developed... maybe a combination of a dry spot and then too much water in there without skin coming off? I don't know.

I have the tote and triple antibiotic ointment ready. Just need to know if she still needs heat or what.

By the way, those pictures are only of her tail, and that orange streak probably spans about maybe 3-5 inches. She's actually not even here yet, but on her way... from what I was told everything has been normal. Good eater, normally a good shedder but has been having problems as of late.

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OK, she's here. Lubed up and in a tote. Still need to know if she needs heat... anybody?
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