HELP! Burm having muscle spasms!!!

driftwooddodgeman · #1 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 02:22 AM

Hi, Guys...I'm worried. I just wiped my Burm down with Mite spray due to a recently discovered mite infestation. He went to take a sip of water, and started having back spasms, arching his back, noticeably straining, flipping upside down from his head to about a third way down, and basically acting like he had NO control over his muscles. I'm VERY scared right now!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif[/img] I just went to fill his other water bowl, and as soon as he dipped himself in it, he started doing the same thing...arching his back and such. He *appears* to be normal now, but he went back to normal the first time, too...I really don't know WHAT to do...any help???? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]
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Shadrach · #2 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 02:34 AM

What kind of mite spray??
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driftwooddodgeman · #3 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 02:37 AM

it's Ultra-Care Mite and Lice Bird Spray. The guy said it didn't matter what the label said, it contained the same ingredients as the reptile ones. I've used it on my other snakes, with no ill effects like this...
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driftwooddodgeman · #4 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 04:12 AM

well...he appears to be doing fine now...I still would like some input though as to what may have caused this. I don't think he inhaled any of the spray, but it's definitely a possibility, as I was applying it under his chin... Anyway, he's just cruisin' around his cage now, maybe a little mad at me for "torturing" him trying to get at the mites under his chin scales...was pretty hard getting him to keep his head upside down...[img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]
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eddie · #5 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 04:25 AM

Give us the list of active ingredients.
Also, get the water bowl out and thoroughly disenfect and wash it out as he prolly got the chems in it while drinking.
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phaedrus · #6 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 04:34 AM

Was the water like, really cold? Would that cause him to "flip" out? Ya know, the reptile version of a human brain freeze when we super drink slurpees? Just throwing out ideas. You had mentioned that you had just filled his water bowl.
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driftwooddodgeman · #7 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 04:35 AM

>> Give us the list of active ingredients.
Also, get the water bowl out and thoroughly disenfect and wash it out as he prolly got the chems in it while drinking.

yeah, probably a good idea [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I'll do that right after I post this...

Here's the ingredients:
pyrethrins...................................0.030%
Piperonyl Butoxide, Technical...0.300%
Inert Ingredients.....................99.670%

He told me the "Pyrethrins are the Mite killing ingredients...as long as they are present, anything will work" True?

driftwooddodgeman · #8 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 04:40 AM

>>Was the water like, really cold? Would that cause him to "flip" out? Ya know, the reptile version of a human brain freeze when we super drink slurpees? Just throwing out ideas. You had mentioned that you had just filled his water bowl.

No, I fill it with warmer water, usually room temp...it was REALLY weird/scary to see him act the way he did...thought he was having a seizure...
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phaedrus · #9 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 05:18 AM

Drift, do a search on "permethrin" which is the active ingredient for Proventomite and some others. Read the posts. Pyrethrin may be of the same family, but from what I understand, permethrin is not designed for direct skin contact. Does it say that it can be used directly on the snake?
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driftwooddodgeman · #10 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 07:08 AM

>>Drift, do a search on "permethrin" which is the active ingredient for Proventomite and some others. Read the posts. Pyrethrin may be of the same family, but from what I understand, permethrin is not designed for direct skin contact. Does it say that it can be used directly on the snake?

I had a question 'bout that. He also used the word "Permethrins" if I'm not mistaken, but the bottle he gave me says Pyrethrins, and says you can use it directly on birds...I am guessing if it's safe for bird skin, it's safe for snake skin...am I wrong? I'm gonna do a search for these two things and see what the differences/likenesses are...'cause he used both when talking to me, I think...I don't know... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] Anyway, I'll letcha know...
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driftwooddodgeman · #11 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 07:20 AM

OMG, this is frustrating!!!!! All I keep finding are freakin sites in French or German or something...NOTHING in English!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img] Anyone happen to know the difference between Permethrin and Pyrethrin?
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driftwooddodgeman · #12 (**permalink**) 08-01-2002, 07:23 AM

OOOOKAY...Nevermind [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] I just realized I was putting an unneccesary E on the end of those during my searches [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] ...didn't know it made THAT much of a difference. NOW I am finding the right sites...letcha know more when I get some info...

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