New 2 person rule head count - Page 3

Byron · #41 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex322

So what if dogs are domesticated or not. I'm sure they probably started off wild animals before they ever became domesticted. They can attack and kill. They can be defensive. They can strike and attack fronout of nowhere. Same thing as a snake. They can be hard to get off you as well.

So let's say for every 25lb of dog, you have to have two people with you at all times when that dog is loose aroud you. For those with 100+lb dogs your gonna have to have 4 or 5 people around you when your playing with it. If you can't have anyone around dont get that Breed of dog or leave it in it's cage.

People who don't follow this rule put the pet dog priveledge at risk.

I think this arguement may be valid after snakes have been breed in captivity for hundreds of years.

Vypyrz · #42 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:19 AM

Since I live alone, my self-imposed rule is nothing that would get over 7'. I'm 6'-3" so I prefer things like the smaller boas and BP's, but I want a Dumerils oh so badly and maybe an IJ or JCP, but I still have alot of research and debating to do on those...

ekoostikBoa · #43 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:24 AM

I handle my 7'4" boa, 20 lbs by myself. Part of me would like to have a large boa, 8'+, but a bigger part of me wants her to remain handleable! I imagine 8'+ and 40 lbs is getting beyond handleable for long periods of time

dhonaker · #44 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:24 AM

Here is the thing most people don't like snakes they know a six foot snake is not that big what do they thank when they read that people that love and keep thies animals won't go around a 6 foot snake alone

Rex322 · #45 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by grnxnam

I think this arguement may be valid after snakes have been breed in captivity for hundreds of years.

isnt it a fact that more people die from dog attacks per year then from snakes. At least constrictors. So what if they have been cb for years decades centuries whatever. Does that neccasarily take the wild out of them. It doesn't and if u think it does. Well complacency kills

spix14 · #46 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dhonaker

Here is the thing most people don't like snakes they know a six foot snake is not that big what do they thank when they read that people that love and keep thies animals won't go around a 6 foot snake alone

Someone that hates and fears snakes irrationally is probably not going to feel any better about them, no-but personally I think educating people and potentially keeping them from harm's way is far more beneficial than worrying about some PETA freak's sensibilities. One article about someone getting killed by their snake is 100x more damaging than a thread in a forum.

Byron · #47 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex322

isnt it a fact that more people die from dog attacks per year then from snakes. At least constrictors. So what if they have been cb for years decades centuries whatever. Does that neccasarily take the wild out of them. It doesn't and if u think it does. Well complacency kills

at least you agree with me even though you are defending the other team.

morti · #48 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:28 AM

Why do people always compare snakes to dogs?

The only comparison between snakes and dogs is that they are both animals. They are both kept by some people as pets.

That is about as close as you can get. No rules that apply to dogs make any sense when applied to snakes and vice versa.

I frequently feel like a broken record here at RTB, but it is what it is, and here it is again:

Why did I suggest 6' as a good rule of thumb when suggesting how big a snake people should be able to handle by themselves? Because I was suggesting a lowest common denominator. I was suggesting a "rule" that is simple for everyone to understand. It is simple for everyone to follow. It is just basically very simple.

A fair comparison would be the rule that it is a bad idea to drink and drive. If you have one beer, you can probably drive. If you have 3 beers over a couple hours, you can probably drive. If you have more than that, it really depends on who you are. Some people are going to be just fine with more, others are not going to be fine even with less... but the simplest possible thing to say is "Don't Drink and Drive... it could kill you".

Do I think that someone who doesn't strictly follow the 6' rule is a danger to the hobby? Nope. Probably not. Does somebody who jumps on a public forum and says that only retards can get killed by their giant constrictor constitute a danger to the hobby? You decide.

LukaTisus · #49 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:29 AM

Raze, the OP, I believe has had a close call, himself, with his boa constrictor.

Hands down, lots of people like to say they can get a snake off of themselves if it wraps them, but let me put it into a bit more perspective.

A wrap around your BODY would not be so dangerous, yes, you could potentially get the animal off of you, but if the snake were to wrap around your neck, you would be out within seconds of it cutting off the circulation to your brain. If, by some freak accident, something set that snake off and had it decide to constrict itself around your throat, there would be very little you'd be able to do to stop it.

We've all seen how quickly a large boa can strike and coil a rat, a lot of times it is faster than our own reflexes can respond to it. What this thread is about, is personal safety and precautions taken in case something unfortunate were to happen. Just because there have been no recorded boa-related deaths is no reason to let our guard down around them. This isn't about who's "tough enough to handle a snake on their own". It's about who wants to take the necessary precautions to protect ourselves, and our hobby.

Think of how quickly you can cause someone to black out in a choke-hold. It's the same idea.

Now for the topic at hand, I hook my big BCI out of his cage and put him in a holding tub during cage-cleanings and whatnot if my roommate's not around.. which is going to be very often now, unfortunately, as he's moving out.

Also, I've got a female 6ft Liasis Fuscus and when it comes to strength, she puts my boas all to shame. So the two-person rule should also look into species as well. The L.Fuscus is slender compared to my boa, but she's extremely powerful for the size of snake she is. She's got an excellent temperment for a Liasis sp. but that doesn't make me any less cautious around her.

skiploder · #50 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by grnxnam

I think this arguement may be valid after snakes have been breed in captivity for hundreds of years.

This argument will never be valid - comparing an animal with the intelligence and the trainability of a dog with an animal with no trainability, no intelligence to speak of and behavior controlled by pure instinct is not an argument.

It's an attempt to salvage an un-salvageable position in a debate - and no one is biting.

Byron · #51 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skiploder

This argument will never be valid - comparing an animal with the intelligence and the trainability of a dog with an animal with no trainability, no intelligence to speak of and behavior controlled by pure instinct is not an argument.

It's an attempt to salvage an un-salvageable position in a debate - and no one is biting.

i can agree with that.

jake_brownell2004 · #52 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:33 AM

my big thing is im 6 foot something and 300 pounds and speaking for a bigger person gives you the leway to handle a snake bigger then 6 foot. i have no dought its a good idea say for my retic when she is big. i agree its a good idea just not something you need unless you have burms retics snakes that do have a name for harming/killing people. thats my 2 cents

spix14 · #53 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:33 AM

Round and round and round it goes....

Like Morti said, these arguments always go the same way and someone inevitably pulls the dog card.

Go teach your snake to fetch you a beer from the fridge and then come back and talk to me.

96Blacksunshine · #54 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:34 AM

The thing is most of the people out to put a ban on pythons and boas probably have dogs as pets. They may cause more deaths per year by a lot, but this wont change their thinking when it comes to our snake pets. Any chance we have in reducing negative impacts caused by deaths is a chance we should be taking.

jake_brownell2004 · #55 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by morti

Why do people always compare snakes to dogs?

The only comparison between snakes and dogs is that they are both animals. They are both kept by some people as pets.

That is about as close as you can get. No rules that apply to dogs make any sense when applied to snakes and vice versa.

I frequently feel like a broken record here at RTB, but it is what it is, and here it is again:

Why did I suggest 6' as a good rule of thumb when suggesting how big a snake people should be able to handle by themselves? Because I was suggesting a lowest common denominator. I was suggesting a "rule" that is simple for everyone to understand. It is simple for everyone to follow. It is just basically very simple.

A fair comparison would be the rule that it is a bad idea to drink and drive. If you have one beer, you can probably drive. If you have 3 beers over a couple hours, you can probably drive. If you have more than that, it really depends on who you are. Some people are going to be just fine with more, others are not going to be fine even with less... but the simplest possible thing to say is "Don't Drink and Drive... it could kill you".

Do I think that someone who doesn't strictly follow the 6' rule is a danger to the hobby? Nope. Probably not. Does somebody who jumps on a public forum and says that only retards can get killed by their giant constrictor constitute a danger to the hobby? You decide.

i can agree with this. you do have many good porints to be takin into consideration

Byron · #56 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:39 AM

maybe everyone should just post that they agree with the 6 (or 7) feet rule then roll their eyes and do whatever they want after they close their computers. Then it at least looks as if people are trying to be safe.

Rex322 · #57 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:41 AM

Haha go re read the post morti.

Actually it doesn't even matter. I'm done with the drama of this site and the bs favoritism that gets played.

Later rtb

96Blacksunshine · #58 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:45 AM

oops IBTL!!!

reticguy69 · #59 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:45 AM

if its any consideration, i have kept snakes and dogs just about as long as the other, i have been severly bit by my snakes once, and severly bit by my dogs, 4 times. the dogs were a golden (one of the worst dogs in my opinion, very unpredictable, especially when they come in to my hospital), and 3 adopted mix breeds. my snake bite was from from a 17 foot tiger female. i will take the bite of a large retic over a dog any day. there are differences between dogs and snakes as pets, where they are similar, is that at any given time without warning, each of them can resort back to their wild instinct and attack for seemingly (to us), no apparent reason. of course there is always a reason, we sometimes just dont know it, but they do.

skiploder · #60 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex322

Haha go re read the post morti.

Actually it doesn't even matter. I'm done with the drama of this site and the bs favoritism that gets played.

Later rtb

Your post is the first bit of drama on this thread...........why get so worked up over an on-line argument?

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