New 2 person rule head count - Page 2

morti · #21 (**permalink**) 03-08-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jake_brownell2004

my wife is nearbuy but i dont think she can help.

Make sure she can help. Teach her what she needs to know in order to help you if you find yourself in a situation that is beyond your control.

Jordysdad · #22 (**permalink**) 03-08-2010, 10:11 PM

I stay safe and have a friend with me when dealing with the retics. On cleaning and feeding day, i have friends who like to be around and help anyway.

snakehooked · #23 (**permalink**) 03-08-2010, 11:10 PM

My other half is my second set of hands. Since he's roughly two and a half times bigger than I am weight wise and almost a foot taller than me he's a good person to have around.

Stargazer · #24 (**permalink**) 03-08-2010, 11:20 PM

Veronica is between 5-1/2 to 6' and I still handle with no one around. When she hits 6-1/2 to 7 feet, I will start having another person around. With Jesse, I will follow the 2 person rule as soon as he gets to be 6 ft.

spix14 · #25 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jake_brownell2004

I try my best and i take every precaution. When she grows up i will do even more to ensure my saftey. I try to have someone around. my wife is nearbuy but i dont think she can help.

Why couldn't she help? Getting a snake off of someone isn't about brute strength (if it was you'd need about 15 people to handle a 20 footer) it's about knowing what to do and keeping calm. I'm 5'1 but you bet your butt I could get a big snake off of someone if I had to.

mongoose5971 · #26 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 12:46 AM

Always. And I'm with Morti--those who don't are putting our hobby at risk.

jake_brownell2004 · #27 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 12:52 AM

im teaching her what to do so she can help but she is scared of them

Sakara · #28 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 01:47 AM

thankfully the hubby loves the snakes and will help as long as he doesn't have to touch poo -_-

And while he is deployed I already have a few ppl who are more then willing to help me when I need it

Byron · #29 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 02:01 AM

complacency kills

Rex322 · #30 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 03:45 AM

So in other words since I don't follow the two person rule I'm putting the hobby in danger? It's that kind if bs that drives people away from this site. The majority vote on something doesn't always mean that it's the best way or even the right way to do it. Is it smarter to have another person around for a large snake? Yea it is. Does not having someone else around mean that your a threat to this hobby? If your a retard, then yes. It's really not hard to judge the disposition of a snake if your experianced and if your not you shouldn't hav a giant. A 7ft snake. Why would you need another person for that unless your a smaller individual. Handling my snake alone does not make me a threat or a danger to this hobby. I know how to judge my snake and that's why I have never been bit by him. I know the precautions you have to take and I follow them.

Basically. For everyone else who doesn't agree with the rest of them or if your a guest. Unless you have other people willing to help don't bother getting any snake that has the potential to get over 7ft because then you would be a threat to this hobby.

I'll he waiting for my post to be deleted and some sort of infraction =)

Stargazer · #31 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 03:52 AM

Rex, well, you may possibly get an infraction for that post, but I'll comment on it anyway.

Morti knew someone personally who was killed by a 13 foot python. The guy had years of experience and was very confident. Fugly also had a friend who was killed in a similar circumstances. In this case, if anyone "disagrees" with you, it's not based on anyone trying to make you wrong, it's probably just because they care about your safety.

Stargazer · #32 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 03:54 AM

And now I'm starting to wonder if I should use the two person rule with Veronica when she's 6 feet instead of 7. It's hard to imagine her causing me any serious damage at that size, but I understand about complacency. What do you guys think?

dhonaker · #33 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:02 AM

I thank threads on having to have 2 people for 6 foot snake is bad for the hobby

Stargazer · #34 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:03 AM

Has anyone ever been killed by 6 foot boa? I just answered my own question. No one has ever been killed by a boa, period.

Rex322 · #35 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:04 AM

I understand that. But do you guys believe in a two person rule for dogs? They can kill as well. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have other people around to help them whenever they need or want to interact with their animals

spix14 · #36 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer

And now I'm starting to wonder if I should use the two person rule with Veronica when she's 6 feet instead of 7. It's hard to imagine her causing me any serious damage at that size, but I understand about complacency. What do you guys think?

I'd say when you start getting that little nervous tickle in the back of your mind, it's time to keep some backup around. My Riley is quite calm for a dwarf retic, and seems to lack a lot of the spazziness I hear about, but when something spooks him he can already squeeze my arm hard enough to turn my hand blue. Then I wonder what would happen if it had been my neck he was wrapped around. Or, you know-what if he was draped around my shoulders, I tripped and hit my head, and he, trying not to fall, wrapped my neck while I was unconscious? It takes him a good 3 or 4 minutes to let go once he's done his nervous wrap thing.

Bottom line is accidents happen. It's not always a case of "Let me roll in rat blood and then go slap my 20 foot retic across the face with a rabbit carcass" that gets people killed. I wish more people would realize that.

Stargazer · #37 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex322

I understand that. But do you guys believe in a two person rule for dogs? They can kill as well. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have other people around to help them whenever they need or want to interact with their animals

All I can say is what I would do for myself. If Jesse and Veronica ever get to be 7 or so feet, and I don't have anyone around or anyone I can call to be in the room when I take them out, they will (very sadly) have to be "rehomed". I'm really intending for this never to happen.

spix14 · #38 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rex322

I understand that. But do you guys believe in a two person rule for dogs? They can kill as well. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have other people around to help them whenever they need or want to interact with their animals

Snakes are not domesticated animals.

Amazon · #39 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer

And now I'm starting to wonder if I should use the two person rule with Veronica when she's 6 feet instead of 7. It's hard to imagine her causing me any serious damage at that size, but I understand about complacency. What do you guys think?

Yes, complacency can lead you to be too comfortable with your snakes, and then suffer the consequences, but I think a strict 6 ft rule is not always true. With most situations, it's more of a gradient. It depends on how big you are, the species of snake, the disposition of the snake, etc. I think it's more of a 6-8 foot rule.

I've worked with my fair share of large boas and medium sized burms. The rule I have for myself is an 8 ft rule if it's a snake that I know to have a calm disposition (i.e. one of my pets, one that gets handled very often, not aggressive/jumpy) and a 6 ft rule for snakes that are more aggressive/defensive/not as used to being handled. However, keep in mind that I am 6' tall, so I am comfortable handling larger snakes than say a 5'2" person might be.

Rex322 · #40 (**permalink**) 03-09-2010, 04:16 AM

So what if dogs are domesticated or not. I'm sure they probably started off wild animals before they ever became domesticted. They can attack and kill. They can be defensive. They can strike and attack fronout of nowhere. Same thing as a snake. They can be hard to get off you as well.

So let's say for every 25lb of dog, you have to have two people with you at all times when that dog is loose aroud you. For those with 100+lb dogs your gonna have to have 4 or 5 people around you when your playing with it. If you can't have anyone around dont get that Breed of dog or leave it in it's cage.

People who don't follow this rule put the pet dog priveledge at risk.

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