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Old 05-12-2005, 04:09 AM
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Thinking about cresteds and gargoyles...

I've been doing a lot of thinking about getting back into lizards, and these two species seem like my best bet. Certainly a lot easier to manage than monitors, but not "set and forget" like my snakes. This was the first year I tried breeding pythons (no luck), and I'm bummed that I have to wait til next year to adjust and try again. Cresteds and/or Gargoyles seem to strike a great balance between the many pitfalls of monitor keeping and the placid boredom (jk) of pythons.

My questions are partly for people that have bred these, but anyone feel free to chime in:

(1) Okay, are they *generally* temp sex dependent or not? I know the consensus is that it's unreliable, but is there a general trend in the ratios? How does this generally shake out? Ideally, I want to get 1.2 or 1.3 to start with, but I'd rather raise up babies myself. If I get 4 and end up with 4.0, it would be a truly Homer Simpson moment.

(2) I know there is a lot of variability there, but what are we talking? Ideally, if someone out there has a group of adults from the same parents and was willing to post pics to help me get my head around this, I'd be very grateful . A pain, I know, but surely someone out there is *that* proud of their cresties, right? :-p

(3) Along those lines, if anyone was willing to post pics of their cresties, and how much they paid for them (if thats cool here), maybe it would help keep me from getting ripped off?

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im glad youve decided to go with rhacs, theyre definitely my favorite
hopefully this will answer some of your questions.
i currently have 2.4 cresteds and 0.2 gargoyles and no ones more proud of them then me.

as far as i know, all rhacs are temp sex dependent.
cresteds are okay with having basicly equal chances of ending up with a male or female, gargoyles however are almost ALWAYS female, its very rare for someone to get a baby raise it up to be male, so usually youll find male auriculatus to go for about 200$ any morph because of that rareity. you can buy juviniles that have been sexed, but male aurics are not always offered either. and its usually pretty easy to sex cresteds around 8 months based on preanal pores. but gargoyles take longer to sexually mature.

its like trying to find an female island e leachie, theyre considerably more rare, so dont usually go for less then 1000 or 1500$
then there are the rough snouted prehensile tailed geckos, that only breed once a year, have live born and one is always male, and one is always female. a trio of those dont go for anything less then 10,000$ [oh god how id love to have those]

cresteds are growing in popularity right now and are relatively cheap. you can buy unsexed babies for about 50$ -150$. sexed juvies of particularly beautiful coloring can sometimes go as high as 225$ but i really cant justify spending that much.

auriculatus is getting up there in the pet trade and are also fairly easy to breed. so you usually buy them for about 75-250$ . juvies and adults you see listed will almost always be female, because males are usually held back for breeding, or are more expensive. giantgeckos.com never let male gargoyles go for less then 200$ each any age/size/color.

i suggest you get the rhacodactylus book for awesome information about keeping them. my favorite thing about these species is that they can be housed together as adults in the same viv [which is how i have them set up]

as far as places to get them, check kingsnake.com. online classifieds are good places, kingsnake is good because it has links to breeders, like giantgeckos.com and alan repashys [sp?] site. some local pet stores sell them but i wouldnt get them there. and if you get them from different places you can basicly be sure theyre of unrelated stock.

my boyfriend works at a reptile specialty store so he always takes home the "gimpy" animals. this is grammy fat fat, an old breeder, in the viv.

these were my first cresteds, abner and zelda, i raised them up from babies, got them from seperate breeders, and ended up with abner being female and zelda being male.







and one of my female gargoyles



zelda as a baby


baby abner

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