Thinking about feeding LIVE? Welcome to the Live Pile - Page 2

unluckyseventeen · #21 (**permalink**) 09-10-2005, 03:41 PM

Well done Quazi. Well done indeed. I'm surprised you even managed to get him back up to speed given you've never handled snakes. He must have been one tough guy to come back all the way from being down that far.

jonjpl · #22 (**permalink**) 09-10-2005, 04:30 PM

Wow Quazi, That is some story. It is an awesome thing that you have done overcome your fear of snake so that you can offer a new and better life to one. I commend you. You are a real hero! ! I'm glad that things are working out for both of you.

quazi · #23 (**permalink**) 09-10-2005, 07:24 PM

Thanks guys, yes I know we are both very lucky. My Bf has had snakes before but he had enough to deal with with his own pets so he told me it was all me he didn't want to get involved because it looked like the snake wasn't going to make it.

He did and I love my quazi. Now knowing what this is though I am going to go back to the anti bio cream and peroxide water, I had no clue that is what he had/has but he is healing up so well but now I'm scared that it can continue to get worse.

Do you guys think his face will form back to somewhat normal?

I am going to take some pictures of him as soon as he wakes up and comes out of his hut so you gys can see him. I just keep wondering if his face will shape up, I know probably not perfect, it has grown quite a bit maybe 1-1.5 inches when I got his his face began where his eyes were.

Thanks! Any other ideas as to what to do, I'm worried now that he might still be in danger of getting bad again. Can I tell? His face use to be all red and slimy now it's thick white like his meat I guess, not real red but it scabs over and peels, then again and again, usually peels off when he eats. But seems to get better each time. I noticed his little teeth are back inside his mouth but he is still missing part of his top jaw.

Any advice would help.

louise · #24 (**permalink**) 09-10-2005, 07:31 PM

i really feel he needs to see a vet. if the infection is that bad he will need baytril shots.

TekWarren · #25 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 01:04 AM

ok...I'm sorry but this is just WAY uncalled for. WHY on earth wwould one feel the need to have a topic dedicated such horror stories...and images! I had alot of thoughts shared on another topic about live feeding and how people try and tell others its wrong. IT IS NOT WRONG! if an animal will not eat any other way...feed it live. If the owner is responsible enough and takes precautions...it is not wrong. I absolutely HATE when people try and force this "rule" on others. Yes I to would RECOMMEND PK or FT but to tell someone they are wrong is just out of line and I for one am completely appalled that someone would endorse a dedicated threads to pics of this nature.

wreckwriter · #26 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 01:50 AM

I guess we can assume that you feed live, huh? Snake just won't eat any other way, right?

louise · #27 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TekWarren

ok...I'm sorry but this is just WAY uncalled for. WHY on earth wwould one feel the need to have a topic dedicated such horror stories...and images! I had alot of thoughts shared on another topic about live feeding and how people try and tell others its wrong. IT IS NOT WRONG! if an animal will not eat any other way...feed it live. If the owner is responsible enough and takes precautions...it is not wrong. I absolutely HATE when people try and force this "rule" on others. Yes I to would RECOMMEND PK or FT but to tell someone they are wrong is just out of line and I for one am completely appalled that someone would endorse a dedicated threads to pics of this nature.

i am gonna try really hard not to cuss and swear at you. do these pictures not show you anything!!! live feeding can mangle and kill a snake! why is there a topic on just this???? because real snake lovers care what can and more then likely will happen. i need to stop cause i dont want to get banned from here and if i keep going it is a sure thing i will be! all i can say is i pray the best for your poor snakes.

quazi · #28 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 07:01 AM

My feeling about feeding LIVE because the snake won't eat, is, it's easy when they are little mice but when it's rats it is way harder to help and supervise. I know first hand, being a first time snake owner and having to help Quazi with his feedings. Helping him with mice was a piece of cake, I'd interfere with a pencil or whatever if he grabbed him the wrong way so the mouse would not bite.

BUT, BUT no matter how responsible you are and how much you SUPERVISE, there is a big chance those mean big rats will bite, they are mean. I have found it very stressful for me to have to help him with the rats because they are not stupid, they want to hurt what is hurting them.

It is not said that you HAVE to feed dead but it is much healthier for the animal if they do, I am trying now to get him to eat dead, I could keep him on live but WHY? so he can have an accident and end up the way he use to be? It's really not worth it. I only did dead because I had no clue what he was use to and he had issues eating so I did it only to catch his attention quickly.

It was cool at first to watch my friends eat but then he got bit on the head by a big rat, guess what he was eating after that? DEAD rats.

I found this post to be very helpful, yes I gasped and couldn't believe the images but after 8 months this is how I found out what Quazi had. THANKS FOR THIS POST!!!

wreckwriter · #29 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 02:48 PM

Louise, don't let it get to you, he's just trying to justify poor practices.

Quazi, please don't think a mouse can't do damage too, it can.

TekWarren · #30 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 03:40 PM

apparently wreckwriter doesn't read all of the posts here. For your information NO I do NOT feed live. Only when I have to will I do this and I have enough experience and common sense to carry it out without a single animal harmed over the years. My point again which "some" are not able to read, is that telling people it is wrong is bogus. How can you know what every single animal is like and what every situation is out there to make such a "standard" for feeding reptiles?? That and endorsing such grotesk images where the only two points I was trying to make. I appologize if that is to hard to grasp.

I also can't help but laugh when someone who has no clue of another person's experience and knowledge of reptiles...tells them they have "poor practices". Hrm so I've been doing it wrong for all these years. Maybe you would like to personally inform me of your credentials, years of experience, and your "standards" for keeping reptiles that can be applied to multiple species?

Livia · #31 (**permalink**) 09-11-2005, 04:57 PM

People seem to have this notion that you have to leave a snake with its food for a long period of time for something bad to happen, which is just plain wrong. All it takes is a split second for a rat or mouse to rip out an eye or bite down to the bone of a snake. The only real precaution one can take is not feeding live. Yes, there are hard cases, but it doesn't excuse doing everything you can to protect your pet and doing your damnedest to get them on prekilled. If you can't take the gory pictures, don't ever put your pet in a situation to end up looking like one of them. It is much worse in person, trust me.

This is Goner, one of the dumbest cases of live feeding I've ever come across. The owner was arrested, hauled away... and the cops saw the snakes in the house, figured they'd throw some food at them to hold them over. Unfortunately there was no heat in the house, so it was in the low 50s at the time the snakes were removed. Who knows how cold it actually got. The snakes weren't moving, but the rats were hungry...

This is the second boa at the same place, not as bad as Goner, but still had several bites all down his back:

They were both rehabbed and rehomed.

Here is Freezer Bait, a speckled king that was left overnight with a fuzzy mouse, the owner didn't even know he was bitten until infection had already set in. He was unresponsive to treatment.

Rehab work and pictures by Ravnos@HerpWorld.

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