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[Hartsock]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

since i cant access the thread of debating, ...

Oh, Yeah, I can understand that cause of all the hoops that I had to go through to get access there. Such a pain in the butt, let me tell you I had to send a mod a pm and ask them to let me join... Yeah 1 whole pm, can you imagine the demands that put on me. I mean it was at least 3 or 4 sentences and I had to think them up myself.

I feed some of my snakes live because that was the only way they would eat after 8 months of starving themselves. They were wild caught saharan sand boas and I have a russian ratsnake that will only eat live that right now he and I are fighting it out. I suspect you are a troll. Number one due to this comment about accessing the debating threads...if you cared you could find out how, otherwise you should have not continued on with your comments because you knew the reaction that would come. Also, I don't know anyone who avocates live only feeding. I know plenty of people who feed live, but their stances is if someone wants to feed f/t, "what's the big deal?" The only reason I can see of someone taking a live only stance is to try to get the shock reaction and debate started. And I believe you were the one who brought up the luck thing when you said that nothing bad has happened "knock on wood." Takes a claw, a bite to the eye and you got a blind snake.

The whole melting thing is absolutely sick and was meant as a shock thing, so we'll give it to you. You are a big bad cool snake owner who feeds live, because you think it is cool. We are just pansies who can't handle it. There I hope that makes you feel better about yourself.

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[tmangt7]

Originally Posted by hartsock

Oh, Yeah, I can understand that cause of all the hoops that I had to go through to get access there. Such a pain in the butt, let me tell you I had to send a mod a pm and ask them to let me join... Yeah 1 whole pm, can you imagine the demands that put on me. I mean it was at least 3 or 4 sentences and I had to think them up myself.
I feed some of my snakes live because that was the only way they would eat after 8 months of starving themselves. They were wild caught saharan sand boas and I have a russian ratsnake that will only eat live that right now he and I are fighting it out. I suspect you are a troll. Number one due to this comment about accessing the debating threads...if you cared you could find out how, otherwise you should have not continued on with your comments because you knew the reaction that would come. Also, I don't know anyone who avocates live only feeding. I know plenty of people who feed live, but their stances is if someone wants to feed f/t, "what's the big deal?" The only reason I can see of someone taking a live only stance is to try to get the shock reaction and debate started. And I believe you were the one who brought up the luck thing when you said that nothing bad has happened "knock on wood." Takes a claw, a bite to the eye and you got a blind snake.
The whole melting thing is absolutely sick and was meant as a shock thing, so we'll give it to you. You are a big bad cool snake owner who feeds live, because you think it is cool. We are just pansies who can't handle it. There I hope that makes you feel better about yourself.

yeah me feel better about myself from someone degrating me, calling me a troll, no i dont think so. maybe i did bring up the luck thing, OH WELL.
AND I FOR ONE WAS NOT PROMOTING NO ANIMAL CRUELTY. i havent nor will i ever be cruel or unusual to ANY SORT OF ANIMAL. the THOUGHT came from a documentary i watched about some businesses around the US that melt the beaks of their chicks, chickens to stop them from pecking each other to death.
i didnt call any one of u a pansy and im not 100% AGAINST feeding F/T, when the time comes, i have my own place and a place to keep the F/T mice/rats besides with the food my family feeds me, i will take it up. but at the moment i am in NO NEED of feeding my snake a f/t rat/mouse because of all this other BS. nonetheless i accept the way YOU ALL think and respect your animals, and maybe you should do the same and maybe even getta know me AS A HUMAN BEING I AM, and look at it that way.

[_Sam_]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

the THOUGHT came from a documentary i watched about some businesses around the US that melt the beaks of their chicks, chickens to stop them from pecking each other to death. .

that's disgusting and cruel, too.

[louise]

how about you dont do anything like you seen on TV and you just feed them F/t? seriously i do wish you and the snakes the best of luck. i have seen first hand on more then one occassion a snake that was meesed up very bad over live feeding. i aklso have paid a lot of money saving snakes that old owners thought feeding live was okay.
some snakes i know it is a must to get them feeding but with enough patience and skill they can be eventually changed over.

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[tmangt7]

yes i know that is quite disgusting, i wasnt EVER planning on doing that, i was just stating a simple situation i saw. and i never said that i wont EVER feed her F/T but i dont have the time/space/or patience at the moment to be dealing with f/t. i thank you ALL for the concern and reasoning you are saying and RESPECT where you are coming from. wish you would do the same for me and a few others on here that have somewhat the same mentality i do (mind you NOT being cruel to animals) i wasnt going to do no burning of anything of the sort or whatever to keep the live rats/mice from bitting and injuring my girl. and i wont be planning on doing any of that ANYTIME IN MY LIFE.

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[louise]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

yes i know that is quite disgusting, i wasnt EVER planning on doing that, i was just stating a simple situation i saw. and i never said that i wont EVER feed her F/T but i dont have the time/space/or patience at the moment to be dealing with f/t. i thank you ALL for the concern and reasoning you are saying and RESPECT where you are coming from. wish you would do the same for me and a few others on here that have somewhat the same mentality i do (mind you NOT being cruel to animals) i wasnt going to do no burning of anything of the sort or whatever to keep the live rats/mice from bitting and injuring my girl. and i wont be planning on doing any of that ANYTIME IN MY LIFE.

will think about using leather gloves and melting the teeth and claws BEFORE throwin it in ta get fed, before i think about going to f/t.

well what did you expect us to think when you posted that?

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[tmangt7]

i dont expect anybody to think anything, you think what you want from what is said, thats the best part about being an AMERICAN. yet it was my mistake for stating it that way. and for that i apologize, but everyone here must understand that you guys are taking me wrong for what has been said. NOT WHAT I DO/DONT DO. ask anybody that knows me OFF THIS FORUM (cuz no 1 really knows me on here on a human/personal level) i am not that guy u portray me to be.

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[tmangt7]

Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

If you don't have the heart to put a mouse/rat down, have some one else do it for you or of course play with a mouse till it bites you then you will be happy to put it down. lol Take it by its tail and slam it on the floor. Believe me, once you see how mean, smelly, and how many rats there are around, trust me you will be happy to kill them off.

how is this NOT animal cruelty?

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[tmangt7]

Originally Posted by Varkoes

Yeah the feeding worked out, I fed it a large mouse. I took it out of the box it came then sealed it in a ziplock, and slammed it full force on my desk. The mouse died instantly, it beats suffication from the snake.
Thanks for your help.

or this. they DID it, i didnt, just simply stated something.

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[_Sam_]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

how is this NOT animal cruelty?

Originally Posted by tmangt7

or this. they DID it, i didnt, just simply stated something.

I never said those weren't animal cruelty. I dont like p/k either. I could never kill an animal on my own, the thought of an animal dying like that is sick. I love animals too much to ever do that. at least gas chambers can be semi-humane.

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[_Sam_]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

i dont expect anybody to think anything, you think what you want from what is said, thats the best part about being an AMERICAN. yet it was my mistake for stating it that way. and for that i apologize, but everyone here must understand that you guys are taking me wrong for what has been said. NOT WHAT I DO/DONT DO. ask anybody that knows me OFF THIS FORUM (cuz no 1 really knows me on here on a human/personal level) i am not that guy u portray me to be.

It's not really logical to take this to the "patriotism/'I'm an American'" level.
BUT, just as you have a right to say what you want, we have a right to think what we wan't. what you said is EASILY interpreted to mean you would rather do that to a rat before feeding F/T, it's right there- plain and simple.
I don't know you outside this forum, true, but I didn't have to to interpret that statement as animal cruelty.
that's all I have to say.

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[angrybananapeel]

It's not really logical

is about as far as you need to take it.

i am not that guy u portray me to be

People here are responsible for portraying themselves. All we can do is base our perceptions on how YOU portray yourself. I perceive a person who will do what they want against common sense and reason, with a statement like this:

but i dont have the time/space/or patience at the moment to be dealing with f/t

. An attitude like that will not garnish any respect from most people on this site. To expect it is rather ignorant.

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[_Sam_]

Originally Posted by angrybananapeel

is about as far as you need to take it. .

true, true.

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[louise]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

i dont expect anybody to think anything, you think what you want from what is said, thats the best part about being an AMERICAN. yet it was my mistake for stating it that way. and for that i apologize, but everyone here must understand that you guys are taking me wrong for what has been said. NOT WHAT I DO/DONT DO. ask anybody that knows me OFF THIS FORUM (cuz no 1 really knows me on here on a human/personal level) i am not that guy u portray me to be.

i am not portraying you as anything. we are all here to learn from each other and to tell each other in a nice way when we think something is not quite right. as far as i can tell you are the only one with an attitude about this. i will leave you on this thread cause i am the one whose snake is used for this thread and i was hoping it would make people think twice about live feeding. some people just dont feel as strong about thier snakes as i do i guess. hope to see you on a more happy thread.

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[tmangt7]

well i apologize for having an attitude on this thread like i did, i am a little more calmer at the present moment, only because i took a step back and well was doing my work and hw to get my mind off things. i see where you ALL are coming from once again. and as for caring about my snake, whoa, i know how much i care about my snake, and i respect you people for caring about reptiles as well not only your own. but as far as me portraying myself in ONE post, is nonsense, through other posts other threads and whatnot, you'll see im not the one to be cruel to animals, kill animals or any thing of the sort.
i RESPECT all of you and your visions, and i hope you all have a great rest of the day.
now i gotta get back to the 5646741641984 pages of hw i hafta do for college. have a nice day!

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[Hartsock]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

. but as far as me portraying myself in ONE post, is nonsense, through other posts other threads and whatnot, you'll see im not the one to be cruel to animals, kill animals or any thing of the sort.

Dude, you said you were going to melt the teeth and claws off of mice without even considering f/t. What part of that doesn't come off as psycho? I mean really, what part of it doesn't make you look like a flipped out loon? It makes you look like a nut. It is you portraying yourself to be a wackjob. In the context you put it, it doesn't appear to be a joke, a quip, or anything of the sort. It is one of three things, 1) a joke, 2) someone wanting the attention of in a trollish manner, or 3) the ramblings of a nutjob who carries around heads in a dufflebag. Now, it didn't appear to fit 1, so it left 2 or 3 and I chose 2 over 3 just for my own sanity sake. But if it was a joke then ha ha.

The difference between the ways of culling mentioned (wacking them on the head, etc) is that they are generally accepted as ways to cull. They end the life of the animal quickly and for the most part without sufferring. You can't tell me that you don't see the difference between a quick smashed skull and teeth or claws being melted.

I raise mice and ASF. I cull with a gas chamber I built because it is the easiest way to put them down without pain. If I need to there have been times when I have done the cervical dislocation to eliviate suffering of one that had been injured in a fight or what not. I don't want you to think I was attacking you for the sake of attacking you, but what you were presenting was what we all were going on.

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[Hartsock]

Originally Posted by tmangt7

AND I FOR ONE WAS NOT PROMOTING NO ANIMAL CRUELTY. i havent nor will i ever be cruel or unusual to ANY SORT OF ANIMAL.

Okay I think we covered the cruel part, but there ain't no way in the love of RTB that I am touching the "unusual" part.

you are own your own there; plus I think it is still illegal in most states.

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[Stargazer]

Aside from the risk to the snake, I cannot imagine what kind of person can nonchalantly watch an animal be slowly crushed and suffocated to death over and over without having any reaction. I fed mine a live mouse one time. The sound of the poor mouse squealing and the sight of it wetting itself was enough to shock me into tears. I will never do it again. I just don't understand the kind of personality who can be okay with that or think it's humane. You have to have a heart of stone.

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[Hartsock]

Originally Posted by Stargazer

Aside from the risk to the snake, I cannot imagine what kind of person can nonchalantly watch an animal be slowly crushed and suffocated to death over and over without having any reaction. I fed mine a live mouse one time. The sound of the poor mouse squealing and the sight of it wetting itself was enough to shock me into tears. I will never do it again. I just don't understand the kind of personality who can be okay with that or think it's humane. You have to have a heart of stone.

But Star, baby, I thought you loved me?

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[Stargazer]

A) You only feed live when absolutely necessary, not cause you're too lazy to use f/t.
B) NOT a good thread to hijack.

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