Alright dog owner crew, need some opinions.

Rachel SS · #1 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 02:21 AM

Do you always, ALWAYS tell strangers who approach your dog that it's okay, they don't ever bite?

Do you think that dogs ALWAYS give warning signs when they are going to bite?

Do you think this is subjective to certain breeds only, or that all dogs, when threatened, can and will bite people DESPITE socialization?

Thanks for your input.

paging RayRay, malinoisk9, etc etc.

Vinny · #2 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 02:24 AM

I have 5 Golden Retreivers and while walking them, if someone ask's if they bite I simply say "anything with a mouth can bite"

LdyDrgn · #3 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 02:25 AM

I usually reply with "uuum... they'll more than likely just lick ya to death..." But I never say no.... because you can never tell what exactly is going to set a dog off.

I don't find that it is with certain breeds. All dogs *can* be unpredictable, even with a training.

fuglyfarmhand · #4 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 02:32 AM

Do you always, ALWAYS tell strangers who approach your dog that it's okay, they don't ever bite?

I tell them any animal can bite.

Do you think that dogs ALWAYS give warning signs when they are going to bite?

Not all dogs do give warnings.

Do you think this is subjective to certain breeds only, or that all dogs, when threatened, can and will bite people DESPITE socialization?

ANY animal can bite. It does not rely on breed imo.

Retic virus · #5 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:27 AM

Anyone who walks up to me and my dog and asks if it bites I will say no.... The reason being is that that person has not presented me with a threat. Normally when a person walks up to you and ask if your dog bites is because they are interested in your dog and may want to pet it. Therefore they are not threating you or your dog. EVERY dog gives some type of warning before they bite, it is up to you to know or learn what these warnings are. Some dogs bark, others growl, some tense up and focus on the target. Some breeds of dogs are more prone to bite a human than others because of the selective breeding by humans. Rotties for instance were herding dogs, but were also dogs of war used by the romans in their conquest and estate guardians. Rottweiler Breed Information & Pictures (German Rottweiler, Mertzerhund.)
And like I said before if you cannot say with 100% certainty that your dog will not bite a person that means you no harm at all, your dog really needs the proper training and it doesn't respect you as it's master.

Sakara · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:32 AM

If someone asks if my dog will bite, I tell them I'm sure they don't want to find out, LOL... and that anything CAN bite... same as I tell them with the snakes...

a dog can bite without warning... I saw this episode of untamed and uncut where this guy was doing an interview with a cop and a police dog... and he went to switch positions and the dog leaped up without warning and bit his face... He had JUST loomed over the dog a little which was enough of a threat for him to attack...

ALL dogs can bite... doesn't matter what breed... Just because some breeds have a bad rep. doesn't mean any dog can't bite when threatened

Rachel SS · #7 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Retic virus

Anyone who walks up to me and my dog and asks if it bites I will say no.... The reason being is that that person has not presented me with a threat. Normally when a person walks up to you and ask if your dog bites is because they are interested in your dog and may want to pet it. Therefore they are not threating you or your dog. EVERY dog gives some type of warning before they bite, it is up to you to know or learn what these warnings are. Some dogs bark, others growl, some tense up and focus on the target. Some breeds of dogs are more prone to bite a human than others because of the selective breeding by humans. Rotties for instance were herding dogs, but were also dogs of war used by the romans in their conquest and estate guardians. Rottweiler Breed Information & Pictures (German Rottweiler, Mertzerhund.)
And like I said before if you cannot say with 100% certainty that your dog will not bite a person that means you no harm at all, your dog really needs the proper training and it doesn't respect you as it's master.

My dogs have proper training, but they are animals that don't have the same thought process humans do.

And picking on rottweilers? really? They're the most prone dog to attacking humans from what stand point? You own a pits. You of ALL people should know how damaging bad reputations to breeds can be.

Rottweilers were bred out to do different tasks - they aren't JUST guard dogs.

Dogs do NOT always give warning signs. They don't always lock and stare like you think. They may not always growl.

and you want to attack how I'm training my dogs? How about that god awful respiratory infection your retic has? Funny, we haven't gotten any updates on it.

I'll warn people to be careful around ANY breed of dog, especially my baby killers.

Retic virus · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:49 AM

Sakara, I too saw that episode and that dog gave every warning. Once again it leads back to breeds of dogs that have been bred to attack humans. The dog in question was a german shepard, a dog that was bred as a herder and a guardian. Secondly, it wasn't just some avaerage german sheperd, it was an attack trained police K-9. To understand this situation you have to understand the "pack" mentalitay of the dog. A dog looks to his owner as the alpha or top dog and the dog places second in the pack. Any human that doesn't belong to that dog's pack is an outsider. A police K-9 is trained to attack any human that threatens the officer or that dogs rank as 2nd in the pack. The officer was so busy giving the interveiw and looking into the camera that he didn't see the reporter hover over in a dominating manner. He also didn't see the dogs ears go back, which to me is a sign that the dog felt threated by an "outsider", which led to him being bitten. Having bred and dealt with dogs for over 12 years I know there are breeds of dogs such as the german shepard, rottie, akita that have dominance issues if not properly socialized and train. And in K-9's this dominance is encouraged, which is why these 3 breeds that I named make superior to any other breed in K-9 work.

Rachel SS · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:51 AM

ROFL Akita's ROFL ROFL

Sakara · #10 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:51 AM

I understand this... But in that episode the dog did NOT give warning until the guy moved... and by that time, if you call the look on that dogs face a "warning" there is nothing you could do in that situation considering it was a split second thing... I'll see if I can find the clip...

Sakara · #11 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:53 AM

here is the clip... the dog was calm until the guy held the dog and went to move... tell me if you could have reacted to something THAT FAST....

YouTube - police`s german shepherd bites man`s face

Rachel SS · #12 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:55 AM

Akita's aren't as difficult to train as people make them out to be. They are just not good family dogs. How do I know? I've worked with 'em before. They're stubborn adults if they aren't taught young. They get irritated quickly if children tug on them to stand up, and when Akita's want to play, they play tough.

They were used for dog fighting and hunting, after all.

Rachel SS · #13 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sakara

here is the clip... the dog was calm until the guy held the dog and went to move... tell me if you could have reacted to something THAT FAST....

YouTube - police`s german shepherd bites man`s face

Case in point. A dog can put it's ears back to hear things, to show aggression, to show they're afraid and being submissive, etc etc. How many people that DON'T have experience with dogs know that??

Retic virus · #14 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:00 AM

Racheal SS, your reply was way to childish. I never attacked or put down your dog's training. I'm not picking on rotties, but was only using them as an example of a breed of dog that has been bred to bite humans. As far as my lav tiger that I recieved last week that was sick when I got him, and not because of my keeping, he doing great. I actually for got about the thread that I started, and that thanks to kids, wife, and sick snake....But just for you I'll update that thread. And as for my pit bull, pit bulls have only really become a problem with attacking people in the last 40 years maybe a little more. And that only because of the morons and thugs who owned them and they wanted to have the toughest dog on the block. To be honest, unlike rotties, who have been bitting people since the roman empire, a pit bull that bit a human was put down because only dog-aggression was allowed. Your rotties were bred to bite humans, and my pit were bred to fight dogs. Every dog has been bred for a specific purpose, remember that, and maybe you won't think that someone is attacking your dogs when they're not

kenyabloodstone · #15 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:03 AM

I have a black and tan coon hound and a whippet mix. When asked if they bite I say simply they have teeth. Chances of them biting are slim but anything with teeth can bite. I say the same thing with my mom's labrador, her hound mix, and her minpin.

Anything with teeth can bite anything with a mouth can bite regardless of breed.

Rachel SS · #16 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Retic virus

Racheal SS, your reply was way to childish. I never attacked or put down your dog's training. I'm not picking on rotties, but was only using them as an example of a breed of dog that has been bred to bite humans. As far as my lav tiger that I recieved last week that was sick when I got him, and not because of my keeping, he doing great. I actually for got about the thread that I started, and that thanks to kids, wife, and sick snake....But just for you I'll update that thread. And as for my pit bull, pit bulls have only really become a problem with attacking people in the last 40 years maybe a little more. And that only because of the morons and thugs who owned them and they wanted to have the toughest dog on the block. To be honest, unlike rotties, who have been bitting people since the roman empire, a pit bull that bit a human was put down because only dog-aggression was allowed. Your rotties were bred to bite humans, and my pit were bred to fight dogs. Every dog has been bred for a specific purpose, remember that, and maybe you won't think that someone is attacking your dogs when they're not

You POINT BLANK said that me telling people to be careful around my dogs was a lack of training on my behalf. So you wanted to get childish, I will fight right back.

Again. Rottweilers are protective of people. But they have been bred to be PROTECTIVE but not to viciously attack people who don't pay bills anymore in today's society. It's highly illegal to let someone from the IRS knock on your door with a rottweiler demanding money.

Sakara · #17 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:05 AM

Really? rotties were bred to fight humans?

History

Rottweilers originated from Rottweil, Germany.
They are believed to be descendants of the drover dogs used by the Roman Empire. Rotties accompanied the ancient Romans on their quest to conquer Europe, guarding the herd and camps. The Romans ended up in what is now Southern Germany and the city of Rottweil. The Rottweiler was used to herd the cattle to and from the markets in town. Cattle dealers and butchers especially favored this breed of dog and they started breeding programs to make the ideal dog, one that excelled in herding, guarding, loyalty and strength. Butchers used them to guard their meat and shops and cattle drivers used them for herding their stock and keeping them safe. In honor of the great dogs that were bred from the town Rottweil, the breed became known as the Rottweiler. Originally bred for herding pig and cattle, they also excelled in guarding against highwaymen intending to rob and murder their owners on their journeys.

The last century put up railways and a ban on cattle driving dogs was implemented. Because of this, Rottweilers were almost forgotten because there was not much use for them. In 1905, there was only one known female Rottweiler in Rottweil, Germany. Butchers and farmers still kept this breed, probably for its protection and this was the main reason the breed survived and once their ability in police work was discovered, breeding programs to keep the Rottweiler breed going started.

Rottweiler Breed Information & Pictures (German Rottweiler, Mertzerhund.)

Retic virus · #18 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:08 AM

My case in point. A dog can put his ears back for whatever reason, that's why I said it's up to YOU as the owner to read the dog and the situation to determine what the dog is going to do. It's the same for barking as well as growling. My dog barks when he wants to play, does that mean he's about to attack. He also growls when we play tug, does that mean he's about to bite me. Any dog expert will tell you that when you pull back on a dogs lead that has been trained to attack, it puts the dog in a defensive mode, so first mistake made by the cop, second mistake by the cop, failing to read his dog's body language. An attack trained dog has been trained to ignore and attack any submissive or dominating gestures by a human that isn't his handler. Every K-9 police dog is trained in schutzhund, that's why every attack command is in german. So that way the dog won't listen to another person or stop the attack because some stranger yelled stop.

Retic virus · #19 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:15 AM

Sakara, I never said that rotties were bred to fight humans, but they were used by the romans as dogs of war, research the breed and you will find that out.
Rachel SS, please show me where i said for people to be careful areound YOUR dogs because of YOUR lack of training. So if the rottie was breed to guard and protect peoples homes, shops, farms....hmmmmm.....What would they be attacking......hummmmmm......PEOPLE

Rachel SS · #20 (**permalink**) 03-05-2010, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Retic virus

And like I said before if you cannot say with 100% certainty that your dog will not bite a person that means you no harm at all, your dog really needs the proper training and it doesn't respect you as it's master.

Here you go.

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